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PFSlim
04/12/2005, 08:17 AM
Does anyone have a pic of the 1968 Shelby dress up kit on their gallery site?

Would the Shelby dress up kit include a round or oval shaped air cleaner?

Paul

Mosesatm
04/12/2005, 08:56 AM
Here's a link to a site showing a '68 GT350. It shows oval.

http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/6020col.html

68MustangHCS
04/12/2005, 02:19 PM
Here's a link to a site showing a '68 GT350. It shows oval.

http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/6020col.html


I like the car, its a super nice one. A Shelby!!! The only think that I don't like about some of these cars, is they are museum pieces and probably will never be driven again like they were meant. I don't like all the aftermarket touchups to make it look like the factory. Those chalk marks, someone added that to make it look like its factory fresh. I think those kind of details are for the over doers. If your going to own a car, use it, don't worship it, then just look at it. That car is probably in better condition than it came from the factory, with all the attention that has been brought to it. My car is a part of my life, and I enjoy using it and working on it, I like looking at it too! ha ha.
;)

Mosesatm
04/12/2005, 03:23 PM
That extends over to the bodywork, too. Check out the panel alignments and gaps on a museum peice restoration. They certainly are not as they came from the factory!!! No one would accept such shoddy work. So if the gaps are all uniform and tight the car really isn't a "perfect" restoration. Hmmmm....I wonder what the judges think of that. Has anyone ever been docked for having body work that was too perfect? Well, other than Pamela Anderson of course.

Mosesatm
04/12/2005, 03:31 PM
Sorry, but I had another thought. Hey, that makes 2 for today. That might be a record! Anyway, would the dealer have wiped off the obvious chalk marks before the car either went on the lot or was given to the customer? If so then what is the point of restoring cars with the marks. Is it supposed to look like it was picked up straight from the factory and never driven.

Jason, you out there? What are your thoughts on this issue?

390cs68rcode
04/12/2005, 04:08 PM
Sorry, but I had another thought. Hey, that makes 2 for today. That might be a record! Anyway, would the dealer have wiped off the obvious chalk marks before the car either went on the lot or was given to the customer? If so then what is the point of restoring cars with the marks. Is it supposed to look like it was picked up straight from the factory and never driven.

Jason, you out there? What are your thoughts on this issue?


Personally I can see the part of restoring a car to the way it came off the assembly line. I like this way of restoration BUT I can say if I did this to a car I would still drive it. For some a car is restored this way to sit and be admired and not driven, for some like me I would restore it in a similar way but would also drive the car. Would the dealer wipe the marks off before delivery? I doubt it.

nfrntau
04/12/2005, 05:55 PM
My Father was a Ford Dealer for many many years. He was very meticulus and expected his get ready guys to do a great job. He wanted return customers.
My guess is they would have removed the chalk marks. As they are washing the cars and running them through the get ready phase these chalk marks would get wet, start to run and the guys would clean up the mess, they would wipe down the engine compartment with wet rags used in drying the cars, etc. Chalk cleans up quick and back then nobody was interested in keeping the marks.

hookedtrout
04/12/2005, 06:46 PM
My Father was a Ford Dealer for many many years. He was very meticulus and expected his get ready guys to do a great job. He wanted return customers.
My guess is they would have removed the chalk marks. As they are washing the cars and running them through the get ready phase these chalk marks would get wet, start to run and the guys would clean up the mess, they would wipe down the engine compartment with wet rags used in drying the cars, etc. Chalk cleans up quick and back then nobody was interested in keeping the marks.


I guess your restoration would all depend on whether you were going for the fresh off the "Showroom Floor" or fresh off the "Assembly Line" look.

Me...I'm going for the this car is way cool tearing up the street look. ;D

Hook

Russ
04/12/2005, 09:09 PM
First of all, you CAN restore a car exactly the way it left the factory and still drive it. I do.... in fact, I took my GT/CS on a 100 mile jaunt around Lake Mary and Mormon Lake last weekend. I think the way one restores a car is personal, and shouldn't "knocked" for taking the time to get it right!

By the way, inspector marks were done with a paint stick, and once applied, they are very difficult to remove. While a meticulous dealer could remove inspector markings, it seems unreasonable to do this. Dealers want to sell cars, not detail undercarriages and engine compartments. Because these paint marks are so durable and have remained for 35+ years is the reason concourse restorations can be accomplished.

Russ

68MustangHCS
04/12/2005, 10:07 PM
I've never seen these chalk marks, wax marks, crayola marks.. on normal cars. I've been looking at mustangs for years, and it seems the only ones that have them are the concours restoration. My Dad always had a new ford or two, but none of them seemed to have any factory marks. I know because he made me clean it every weekend and change the oil on them. My preference is without marks, I just think the marks are overdoing it, and so I wouldn't put those marks on or make them up to impress anyone. You guys are right, it's just a personal preference. I'm for driving the crap out of the car, not watching it as I grow old, then die....then someone else gets my prize...lol ;D

hookedtrout
04/13/2005, 01:12 AM
If you look closely I would venture to believe that you will find your car has the paint marks as well unless it has been completely repainted underneath and in the engine compartment. My car has never been restored short of paint on the outside and interior and albeit they are faded and covered in oil and dirt and road grime I can still see the little painted marks on my car in places.

I'll also say I have the utmost respect for someone with the patience to do a concourse restoration and then the patience to live with it. They are amazing to behold. We have a concourse restoration shop here where I live and I've seen their work, it is unreal. It certainly isn't for me due to three aspects all my own issues. The cost being the first deterrent, the fun being the second and I'll explain fun, fun to me is being able to drive it anywhere anytime and not have the worry of a scratch, rock chip, dirt, grime, someone touching it, etc. The worry takes the fun out for me even though you have it on the small scale a full blown concourse would certainly enhance it for me. The third deterrent would be the show aspect, the car isn't about any kind of competition to me, I love sports and I am highly competitive but being competitive with my car would put me in a complete different world with my car than I want to be and if I were to undergo a concourse resto it would almost be a given that I'd have to show the car competitively to justify my undertaking (these are my issues, not implying that this is how others are as well).

Again let me emphasize that I love to see concourse restorations and I have the utmost respect for those that can do it and live with it. I simply couldn't afford it financially, don't have the time to do it myself (way to many hobbies) and I live on a gravel road so it would be hard to do it and enjoy it.

Can't wait to see all you concourse guys at the get together (someday). ;D

Hook

Mosesatm
04/13/2005, 07:43 AM
I totally agree with Hook in that anyone with the patience to perform a concourse restoration, right down to every little mark and tag, should be commended.

The thing is that the chalk marks in the pictures of the red GT350 are HUGE and I just find it hard to believe that a car would have been sold off a dealer’s lot with such marks all over it. We don’t see big “Xs” all over new cars now so have car marking practices changed or do the dealers currently wipe off the marks before they sell the cars? Maybe the marks really were there in ’68 and the marks on the Shelby are just a little over done.

Any ideas?

hookedtrout
04/13/2005, 07:58 AM
I think even the new cars have similar markings, the only problem is that you can't see the engine anymore. :o For the kicks and giggles of it if I remember today I'll check my new truck or Expedition and see if there are any under that hood that can be found.

Hook

390cs68rcode
04/13/2005, 09:25 AM
did someone say original marks? Here are a few from a car I just bought Saturday. Original paint is still on the car.

http://www.affordablecoin.com/marks.jpg

http://www.affordablecoin.com/marks1.jpg

http://www.affordablecoin.com/marks2.jpg

http://www.affordablecoin.com/marks3.jpg

Russ
04/13/2005, 09:25 AM
Here is a photo of the engine compartment of my 1968 GT. I installed original Shelby valve covers and a reproduction air cleaner when I restored the car. The valve covers are somewhat hard to find, but I like the way they look. These valve covers were available in 1967 from Shelby-American Inc. for $47.85 and installed for $3.50 more (!!!). Labor prices have sure gone up since 1967!!! Note: This car has the early style A/C compressor bracket. This topic is discussed on another posting.

Regarding the concourse discussion, I think that some of our cars are "motorized static art displays" of automotive history when they are displayed at a car show. Since most concourse cars are not driven much, the car becomes a piece of artwork rather than a unit of transportation, and this dosen't appeal to all people. I also think some of the members of this site look upon their cars as useful modes of transportation. They feel cars should be driven, used, maintained and cared for.

Fortunately, I think there is room for everyone at the driver and concourse "table". I have a healthy respect for concourse, resto-mod, driver and unrestored GT/CS cars AND their owners. It would truly be a boring world if everyone had the same ideas and liked and dislked the same things!!

Just my thoughts,
Russ

Mosesatm
04/13/2005, 10:13 AM
Now that is a pretty engine compartment!!

Mosesatm
04/13/2005, 10:17 AM
did someone say original marks? Here are a few from a car I just bought Saturday. Original paint is still on the car.
So....don't keep us hanging. Let's hear about the car. Is this the 390 4-speed car you were talking about Saturday?

Where on the car are the various numbers?

Russ
04/13/2005, 10:20 AM
Great original paint marks!!! It is interesting to see the colors used on the paint inspector markings. Green for the P-24 and P-30 and Red on the Paint-9....neat. My Highland green car has its inspector markings in yellow. Also, the white paint crayon number is the rotation number and is always found on the driver's side, under the front of the hood. It is super to see original markings like these. Thanks

Russ

PNewitt
04/13/2005, 11:47 AM
Russ,

Neat, and very rare valve covers! If you notice, on these and the '67-'68 COBRA valve covers, the depressions on the sides of the covers are "squarish", and not round, as found on the later repro valve covers.

In the new book, I'll list out what you could have bought from SHELBY AMERICAN as accessory items for the GT/CS (or any other '68 Ford). Too bad that "National Mustang Club" doesn't accept vintage/period accessories; if installed properly.

As for markings, etc., although I find them interesting, you might consider the irony of these marks' origin. The paint marks in different colors were for the assembly plant (i..e. "the green marked part goes on the red marked part", etc..). Colored part marks are also listed on the build sheet.

Paul N.

390cs68rcode
04/13/2005, 03:52 PM
did someone say original marks? Here are a few from a car I just bought Saturday. Original paint is still on the car.
So....don't keep us hanging. Let's hear about the car. Is this the 390 4-speed car you were talking about Saturday?

Where on the car are the various numbers?


here is the Marti report on it showing the C-6 auto. Car was picked up today in Vegas and might be here on Sunday. (I think you got the 390 CS with 4 speed I am possibly aquiring, my fingers are crossed about the 390 CS).

http://www.affordablecoin.com/marti390gt.jpg

Mosesatm
04/13/2005, 04:14 PM
Dang, is there an option the car doesn't have!!

I find it interesting that there were 19609 Sunlit Gold cars but only 568 of them (3%) had the Nugget Gold Decor seats. Another rare find for Jason. The Burgundy GT/CS flanked by the 2 Sunlit Gold coupes would make a very nice picture.

BTW how are you going to drive all those cars to Colorado, or Wyoming, or Yellowstone, or wherever for the group roundup?

Jason or Bill, if either of you are golfers the National Museum of Funeral History (no, that is not a joke) is having a golf tournament May 23rd. Let me know if you want to play and I'll see if someone will sponsor us. Unsponsored it's $225 per person.

390cs68rcode
04/13/2005, 04:48 PM
Dang, is there an option the car doesn't have!!

I find it interesting that there were 19609 Sunlit Gold cars but only 568 of them (3%) had the Nugget Gold Decor seats. Another rare find for Jason. The Burgundy GT/CS flanked by the 2 Sunlit Gold coupes would make a very nice picture.

BTW how are you going to drive all those cars to Colorado, or Wyoming, or Yellowstone, or wherever for the group roundup?

Jason or Bill, if either of you are golfers the National Museum of Funeral History (no, that is not a joke) is having a golf tournament May 23rd. Let me know if you want to play and I'll see if someone will sponsor us. Unsponsored it's $225 per person.


I agree my 2 Sunlit Gold cars with the Royal Maroon (and maybe the 390 CS in Gulfstream Aqua) might make a good picture. ;D

Hmmm, maybe I will need some co drivers to bring my collection on the roundup. ;)

Golf? man, you don't even want to see me hook, slice and duff my way through 18 holes, I am NOT a golfer, but thanks.

It does have a few options eh? ;D

68sunlitgold
04/13/2005, 08:53 PM
Let's see.....Sunlit Gold, got to love that color...but then again I may have a biased opinion. The car sounds nice, are you looking at a Sunlit Gold CS also?

Doug

390cs68rcode
04/14/2005, 05:00 AM
Let's see.....Sunlit Gold, got to love that color...but then again I may have a biased opinion. The car sounds nice, are you looking at a Sunlit Gold CS also?

Doug


nope, it is Gulfstream Aqua with a 390 in it. ;D

Mosesatm
04/14/2005, 07:05 AM
Hey Jason, I have 2 garages with 2 stalls each. I'm using only one garage right now so if you want to store that Gulfstream Aqua one here let me know. Just make sure you leave the keys so I can, uh, move it around once in a while. Gotta make sure the tires to flat spot. ;D

390cs68rcode
04/14/2005, 07:07 AM
Hey Jason, I have 2 garages with 2 stalls each. I'm using only one garage right now so if you want to store that Gulfstream Aqua one here let me know. Just make sure you leave the keys so I can, uh, move it around once in a while. Gotta make sure the tires to flat spot. ;D


Funny, I have been saying the same thing to my buddy with a GT500 Vert. ;)

GTCSMustang
04/14/2005, 09:51 AM
Hey Jason,

Does your new 390 car have an upper and lower console, or just the upper?

Scott

390cs68rcode
04/14/2005, 10:56 AM
Hey Jason,

Does your new 390 car have an upper and lower console, or just the upper?

Scott


just upper. you got a lower for me? :)