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CobraMan
04/28/2005, 06:40 PM
What's your thoughts about a 67/68 GT/CS Eleanor? Have you seen the prices of this cars lately? The first and only convertible sold at Barret Jackson for over $530,000. Wow!

Mosesatm
04/28/2005, 07:57 PM
Cobraman brings up a great point. And I think the price paid for the Eleanor proves that there is a HUGE market for quasi-GT/CS clones out there.

There will always be those who want a car to be numbers-matching, 100% perfectly stock but those people are few and far between and they make up a little tiny portion of the classic car market. Right now I think the real market is in old cars that look wicked but are reasonable priced. Take a look at the success of the new Mustang and the PT Cruiser. People buy them just because they are cool looking cars that look like they are old. Of course, it doesnít hurt that one of them happens to go fast. I think the people who buy those cars are the real heart of the market. They want a classic Mustang but donít want to spend the money for a perfectly restored example and they donít want to spend the money or the time to either have one restored or do it themselves.

If someone would take í67 and í68 Mustang coupes, which are the ugly ducklings of the pre-1971 Mustang world, and transform them into killer looking machines they would sell the things faster than they could be built. Think about it, that is what a GT/CS is. Itís just a plain looking coupe that has been transformed with $1,500 worth of fiberglass parts. As Iíve said before, Iíll bet it would even be financially sound to purchase 6-cylinder cars, replace the engine, spindles, axles, brakes, etc. with V8 components and sell them. People wouldnít care that it was once a 6-cylinder car.

This is a huge untapped market for the right person, but the prices would need to be reasonable. My guess is around $25,000 to $35,000 instead of the $55,000 minimum the Eleanors sell for now. Could they be built for that and still make a profit? I donít know. One of these days I might crunch the numbers and see.

As long as the cars could not be confused with real California Specials Iíd love to see someone build the things. Iíd buy one. Personally, Iím getting a little tired of Eleanor so maybe itís time to give her another facelift. Who knows someone could even work a deal with one of the big automakers (no, not Nissan) to purchase new engines and transmissions for the cars at a reasonable price. I guess history does repeat itselfÖ.kind of sounds like a Shelby idea 40 years ago.

jk89cat
04/28/2005, 09:16 PM
and the peopel liek me who have cars that are missign so many parts its a cheaper very feasable option. but i hate that hood and front end. its gross. and its like they melted 65-68 into one also the hood and non opened hood scopps are just ugly too

hookedtrout
04/28/2005, 10:31 PM
If someone would take í67 and í68 Mustang coupes, which are the ugly ducklings of the pre-1971 Mustang world,



I would have to agree that the big dollar market seems hell bent for leather on modified, cloned, hopped up, conversion, retro cars. I will take issue with your statement on the 67/68 coupes being ugly ducklings. I personally think the 67/68 were the best looking years of Mustang even in the plain old coupes and that includes right through the current day models! 64-66 were a little small and dainty looking, no muscle look, 69 was sweet as well and the big nosed bad boy 70's were the ugly ducklings to me. Oh well just my opinion however.

Hook

Mosesatm
04/29/2005, 06:02 AM
Hook, I agree that the "ugly duckling" shot was a little harsh but I had to get the ugly duckling into the swan metaphor in there somehow. I agree that a plain stock '70 coupe is about as bland a Mustang as there has ever been. Of coure the funky reverse scoop thing they put on the '69 coupe pretty well destroyed the lines of that car, too. On the other hand I think the '69 Boss 302 is about the best looking Mustang ever built, closely followed by the '67 Shelby.

As far as I know no one has ever tricked out '69 or '70 coupes for the mass market, or for that matter '65 or '66 coupes. The '69/'70 Shelby de Mexico was sold only in Mexico. There are a lot of solid unloved '65 through '70 coupes out there that are just waiting for some creative person, with a lot of startup money, to TASTFULLY transform them. It seems the '69 and '70s would be an easier transformation and more PC since messing with the original Mustangs would be considered heresy by some.

Mustanglvr
04/29/2005, 06:09 AM
I guess thats why we`ve all been argueing over a registery for only authenticated cars. With people deciding to crunch the numbers to see what kind of profit they would make out of cars they`ve cloned, I can see a great need for keeping the authentic cars seperate. Those are the same people that are going to keep the price of the original cars down. What kind of future do the old Mustangs have? Why not just leave them alone? If you continually try to change the Mustang(any year), than you are not a true Mustanger. I`m not sure what the word for you is yet ,but its not very nice. I personally think that all Mustangs are killer looking machines just the way they are.
Just my two cents worth.
Rhonda

Mosesatm
04/29/2005, 06:26 AM
Rhonda, I've been arguing for a registry too. I think it's critical that we keep tabs on the original GT/CSs because their value will rise sharply if and when Eleanor coupes start hitting the market. And anyone who makes true-to-life GT/CS clones and doesn't register them as such should be dealt with appropriately.

IMHO, I think someone who is looking to save Mustangs by adding a few fiberglass parts to them, rather than see them crushed because no one wants them is a "Mustanger". If you think such a person deserves a separate not-so-nice name that's ok. We'll just agree to disagree.

Mustanglvr
04/29/2005, 06:31 AM
I see your point Arlie. Rhonda

meadowsdk28
04/29/2005, 09:33 AM
Cobraman brings up a great point. And I think the price paid for the Eleanor proves that there is a HUGE market for quasi-GT/CS clones out there.

You are right on. Look at the "Little Red" convertible clone that just sold on EBAY for over $45,000. Now, I'll be the first to admit that 67 convertibles don't come real cheap ANDI'll also give props to the car in that it appeared very clean, neat and well done. It even had the 428. But still, it was just a very cool, very well optioned 67 convertible. These prices are going through the roof. My hats off to the guy that made his money, paid homage to a mostly forgotten (to everyone but people on this site)piece of FOMOCO history, and did it with a classy car and didn't try to pull the wool over anyones eyes. I just wish my High country would pull that kind of cash. On the other hand, maybe I don't. If my car were worth that kind of money I might be tempted to sell and I don't want that.

One last thing, I can't agree with the opinion of anyone that owns an altered Mustang (even an Eleanor, which I'm becoming bored with as well)not being a Mustanger because it's not a purist vehicle. Remember that even from the beginning, people would buy 'em and change 'em to suit themselves. That's the greatest thing about the car. It was deemed a secratary's car as well as an all-out, firebreathing, take-no-prisoners drag and road racing Detroit killer.

Mosesatm
04/29/2005, 09:48 AM
Now someone is making Eleanors out of 2005 Mustangs. Reserve not met at $68,000!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6236&item=45451058 89&rd=1

hookedtrout
04/29/2005, 10:50 AM
The interesting aspect of all this cloning and modifying to make the car worth astronomical prices to me is that you don't have to be deceptive. There isn't any doubt when you look at an Eleanor that it isn't something from the 60's. These cars that are bringing 6 digit prices are cars that are well known to be clones or modified cars.

Hook

meadowsdk28
04/29/2005, 11:55 AM
That's it. I'm turning my high country into an Eleanor. I'm going to ask $150,000 reserve on Ebay. Anyone with me?

hookedtrout
04/29/2005, 01:53 PM
That's it. I'm turning my high country into an Eleanor. I'm going to ask $150,000 reserve on Ebay. Anyone with me?


Right behind you! ;)

Hook

rvrtrash
04/29/2005, 02:43 PM
I guess I'm out of step. To me, Eleanor will always be a yellow '73 Mustang. ::)
Steve

19HCS68
04/29/2005, 03:21 PM
"I guess I'm out of step. To me, Eleanor will always be a yellow '73 Mustang."

Me too Steve. That's the car that comes to my mind when I hear a car that's named Eleanor. We must be too old Steve. :-\

Gary

PS Sorry I don't know how to make the "Quote" option to work. :-[

case12
04/29/2005, 04:23 PM
That's it. I'm turning my high country into an Eleanor. I'm going to ask $150,000 reserve on Ebay. Anyone with me?


Right behind you! ;)

Hook, don't betray us now. ??? Not after all your posts on having the GT/CS for the love of it. You know you love her too much to go messing around with her for any price :) I am actually taking good stuff off mine to take it back to original (like taking off the GT hub caps, and GT gas cap). Casey

Hook

hookedtrout
04/29/2005, 04:50 PM
That's it. I'm turning my high country into an Eleanor. I'm going to ask $150,000 reserve on Ebay. Anyone with me?


Right behind you! ;)

Hook, don't betray us now. ??? Not after all your posts on having the GT/CS for the love of it. You know you love her too much to go messing around with her for any price :) I am actually taking good stuff off mine to take it back to original (like taking off the GT hub caps, and GT gas cap). Casey

Hook



I didn't say I was "With Him" I said "I was right behind him!" There's a huge difference. I wouldn't put that gob of crap on my beautiful Mustang even if I had a guaranteed 6 digits turn over upon completion. You guys have nothing to worry about with me. These people hacking up perfectly good classics to make a buck turn me into the indian standing in front of the trash by the river with the tear rolling down his cheek. No gob of junk on my hood, just smooth classic original lines. ;)

Hook

390cs68rcode
04/29/2005, 05:55 PM
"I guess I'm out of step. To me, Eleanor will always be a yellow '73 Mustang."

Me too Steve. That's the car that comes to my mind when I hear a car that's named Eleanor. We must be too old Steve. :-\

Gary

speaking of 1974 Gone in 60 Seconds I just bought a vintage 1974 Gone in 60 Seconds movie poster for the garage.

PS Sorry I don't know how to make the "Quote" option to work. :-[

hookedtrout
04/29/2005, 06:58 PM
"I guess I'm out of step. To me, Eleanor will always be a yellow '73 Mustang."

Me too Steve. That's the car that comes to my mind when I hear a car that's named Eleanor. We must be too old Steve. :-\

Gary

speaking of 1974 Gone in 60 Seconds I just bought a vintage 1974 Gone in 60 Seconds movie poster for the garage.

PS Sorry I don't know how to make the "Quote" option to work. :-[



Cool deal on the poster. How much and do they have more?

As for the quote, here comes the directions so pay close attention and upon reading this reply immediately using said directions.

First you select the option "Reply with Quote on the top right hand side of the message you are replying to. Once the box opens, assuming you want the quote at the top of the reply message you scroll to the bottom of the message and click in your cursor after the last quote in [...] and then hit return a couple of time and start typing your reply. Everything inside of the quote boxes will be in the highlighted quote type box and your reply will be outside. Lets see how crapy I am at directions now on your attempt.

Hook

390cs68rcode
04/30/2005, 04:09 AM
no more copies of the poster. It was purchased from here:

http://www.heritagemovieposters.com/

meadowsdk28
04/30/2005, 06:35 AM
PS Sorry I don't know how to make the "Quote" option to work. :-[


Gary, Just hit reply with quote and then delete out any text you don't want or need.

And yes, you are old when you think of Eleanor as the 73. That is, according to my son, the college student. Guess we're both old.

meadowsdk28
04/30/2005, 06:42 AM
I am actually taking good stuff off mine to take it back to original (like taking off the GT hub caps, and GT gas cap). Casey


Alright, alright, man I was just kidding. You guys are brutal. :)

So....Casey....What do you want for those hubcaps, then?

hcsstang
04/30/2005, 03:32 PM
I like to hear when somebody says take it back original. While your at it you might as well paint the oil filter blue. Thats one item that I got deducted on with MCA.

390cs68rcode
04/30/2005, 04:27 PM
While your at it you might as well paint the oil filter blue. Thats one item that I got deducted on with MCA.


So a white repro Autolite filter would not be correct?

19HCS68
05/01/2005, 06:20 AM
Gary, Just hit reply with quote and then delete out any text you don't want or need.




I knew it was something simple that I over looked. Thanks for the pointer everyone. Still couldn't make it work quite right though, as you can see. :-[

Gary

jk89cat
05/01/2005, 03:41 PM
yea i am with you guys on that too, the 73 mustang was the first one to come to mind with that name .

hcsstang
05/01/2005, 04:02 PM
::)The oil filter should be painted blue.

PNewitt
05/01/2005, 04:10 PM
I'm getting ahead of the game here, but I am planning to have a section of (my new GT/CS) book about modifications to the GT/CS (and '68 HCS) for people that wanted to go the high-tech route.

I would like to include a Vintage Shelby version, and some sort of current version that would compete with the "Eleanor" types.

For example, Ford Racing now offers a complete 427 crate motor, and there are at least three suspension mod companies that do the struts, etc. There are about three rear end (IRS) options, too.

I'd like to run these mods by SAAC for some sort of "blessing", if that would help things along. I've always thought that the CS was MORE of a natural for coupe mods than any other coupe, since it has a head start with the fiberglass, etc.

As for the coupe comments--just remember. the '65-'68 Coupe roofline was taken from the 1956 Lincoln Mark II. So, we have a lot of class in our corner (we already did!). Coupes are the lightest body style, too. That's why Ford and Shelby raced them in the '67-'68 Trans-Am series.

Paul N.

p.s. this idea of a Ford blue filter for MCA shows is ridiculous! The thinking is the engine was painted with the filter on--and it should be like that at the shows. IF one follows that logic, you should have clear plastic on the seats, and paper mats from the factory as well. Dealer prep replaced the oil and filter with an Autolite one.