View Full Version : Hood Turn Signal Rubber Grommet


case12
03/24/2005, 01:16 PM
My understanding is that there is supposed to be a rubber grommet where the wires for the hood turn signals go into the hood (the round hole). I can't seem to find this part in my restoration books and catalogs. Does anyone know if this is right, and where I might find the item? Casey

bbeatty
03/24/2005, 02:47 PM
Yep, there's supposed to be a grommet in that hole but you'll almost never see a car that has them. Most of the contours cars at the 40th anniversery show didn't have them either.

At that show I spoke to the Scott Drake people about the grommets and they said they won't be making them anytime soon. They just don't think many people would buy it.

PFSlim
03/24/2005, 03:41 PM
Casey

I did not know this information either until Brian pointed it out at our World of Wheels show. Brian B. is one smart cookie. Listen to him and you can never go wrong!!

Except for the fact that he has alittle Kansas Jayhawk in him, but we try not to hold that against him.

Paul

390cs68rcode
03/24/2005, 03:51 PM
I have them on both of my 68's. You can sometimes find the underhood light kits that have them included. As a matter of fact the 2 kits I have in the garage have them in them (not for sale).

bbeatty
03/24/2005, 06:25 PM
I have them on both of my 68's. You can sometimes find the underhood light kits that have them included. As a matter of fact the 2 kits I have in the garage have them in them (not for sale).




JBSteven, please expand. What is a underhood light kit? Are you referring to a NOS dealer installed light similar to the trunk light kit?

Thanks

hcsstang
03/24/2005, 06:47 PM
Some time ago I questioned the same thing.Since then I was told by a MCA judge that they didn't have the grommets in the holes. On the metal frame that supports radiator the holes for the headlights where the wires goes through ,a plastic grommets works perfect. I think that they run about 2 bucks. On ebay they had a pair and I bid them up to 75 bucks boy I'm glad that I didn't get them. I got a pair but when I go to the Grand National I think that I'll take them out.

390cs68rcode
03/24/2005, 07:01 PM
I have them on both of my 68's. You can sometimes find the underhood light kits that have them included. As a matter of fact the 2 kits I have in the garage have them in them (not for sale).




JBSteven, please expand. What is a underhood light kit? Are you referring to a NOS dealer installed light similar to the trunk light kit?

Thanks


yes, same thing. One of my 68's has the interior visability group which includes: 2 under dash courtesy lights, trunk and under hood light. These are factory installed I believe (the hood light especially) since it looks different from the dealer installed kits. my factory one looks different from the one below (the one below is a dealer kit)

http://i8.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/7d/2e/6d_1_b.JPG

Russ
03/24/2005, 07:32 PM
Casey,

I heard the same rumor, researched the issue, and found that it was just that...a rumor. Check the 1968 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manual, and you will not find any reference to a grommet for the hood wiring. A plastic grommet from a 1965-66 Mustang can be used, and it will stop any chaffing of the wiring loom, but it is not original to the 1968 Mustang. Hope this helps.

Russ

390cs68rcode
03/25/2005, 05:20 AM
here one is on ebay.

http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/03/b5/9d/36_1_b.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10076&item=4538516 418&rd=1

bbeatty
03/25/2005, 07:10 AM
Casey

Brian B. is one smart cookie. Listen to him and you can never go wrong!!




Paul

You know I have a lot of respect for you as a person and as a restorer but that right there is just bad advice!! ;) ;D ;)

PFSlim
03/25/2005, 08:19 AM
And I thought I would be in trouble for the Jayhawk comment!!! :o

Russ
03/25/2005, 09:06 AM
This post is interesting because it brings to light rumors and beliefs about what is "correct" for our cars. As I strived to be concours correct on my GT/CS, I studied various details to insure my car was as close to original as possible. I found the 1968 Mustang Assembly manuals to be extremely accurate and the Electrical manual clearly shows no grommet for the hood. The reference for this information is found in the Electrical Assembly Manual entitled "Turn Signal Indicator Models-All", page E8-8135-1, date 1-22-68.

Also, the photographed grommet advertised on ebay is clearly advertised as a trunk grommet, not one for the hood. I would never question anyone's advice, as everyone on this site is trying to be helpful and provide the best information possible. My only point is to utilize any and all documentation to back up any questionable issue.

As for the grommet in question, you can buy these grommets from NPD (#14603-1K) for $1.00. They are made for the wiring harness on the inner fender of a 1965-66 Mustang. My 1966 Shelby has this grommet and it works great to stop any chaffing of the wiring harness.

Just my two cents,
Russ

Russ
03/25/2005, 09:25 AM
FYI: The Electrical Assembly manual clearly shows the grommet, p/n C60B-14603-B, used in the trunk for the luggage compartment lamp. Hope this helps,
Russ

mmarsalone
03/25/2005, 09:44 AM
My 67 built in Metuechen, does not have the grommet. Although it's not pretty, it's very original. But we all know things were different at differnt factories.

Mike

bbeatty
03/25/2005, 11:41 AM
This is a fun post - I love a good debate. I'm thinking this could be one of those factory variance things or maybe something Ford either started or dropped along the way.

The first time I ever noticed one was at a show three years ago and it was on an original owner's car and he was proud as heck of the grommets.

As for me, I'm going to buy one grommet and stick in the bottom hole and put nothing in the top hole. Then I'm going to forevermore insist that was the way it came from the factory!! :P ;D :P

Russ
03/25/2005, 01:12 PM
I think everyone should do what they want with their car, and HAVE FUN. I also met a fellow with a GT/CS who insisted that this grommet should be placed in the hood. His car is an MCA Medallion car, so I didn't argue with him.

While I won't debate this issue with anyone, I believe the factory published assembly manuals to "guide" their employees in the production of their cars. As a cost issue, though, I don't know why any assembly plant would choose to ignore the manual and install a grommet when Ford said it should not be there!!!

That being said.....NOTHING is ever set in concrete.

Russ

case12
03/26/2005, 09:58 AM
Thanks for all the input - you guys are great. "To grommet or not to grommet", that is now my question. I credit Bob Teets for the question, because he asked me if mine had one when I was talking to him about my car. I would think this is also a question for all early 68 mustangs (not just GT/CS, HCS) that had this hood option. As I mentioned, my restoration books and my old shop manuals and autolite (original) parts manuals did not show the grommet - so it got me to wondering. Casey

hcsstang
04/01/2005, 07:44 AM
I got in touch with MCS about the grommets and here is the reply, some people think there was grommets there i have not seen anything to support that so I say no grommets is correct

CJ
04/01/2005, 08:17 AM
As an original owner I can unequivocally say my CS didn't have them. It would have been a good idea to have such a grommet to protect the integrity of the wires from chaffing.

Claude

hookedtrout
04/01/2005, 09:30 AM
Man I wish I had you guys problem instead of a 2 barrell carb that has been rebuilt twice and still pumps fuel out the overflow tubes everytime I try to start it. Want to trade problems. ;D

Hook

Mosesatm
04/01/2005, 09:49 AM
Hook was the car drivable before you rebuilt the carb or did you rebuild the carb because the car quit? The reason I ask is because a slipped timing chain can cause what you are describing.

Russ
04/01/2005, 12:13 PM
Since we are talking about timing and carburetor problems, we probably should move this posting, but I had exactly the same problem with the Holly 4V on my GT. I found the problem AFTER (!) I changed the timing gears and chain, and it was the carburetor all the time. There happened to be a speck of debris/dirt/rust (who knows) caught between the needle and seat for the float, and the needle couldn't totally stop the flow of the gas from the fuel pump.

I really cleaned the needle and seat and it cured the problem. I will say that the original camshaft timing gears used on the 289/302's were plastic, and they do wear out and jump time, but before you tear into the front of the engine, just check out the needle and seat of your carb.

Hope this helps,
Russ

Mosesatm
04/01/2005, 12:45 PM
That's a whole lot cheaper and easier than replacing the timing chain, unless it's original then it must be replaced anyway. Those plastic ooated chains were not one of Ford's better ideas.

hookedtrout
04/01/2005, 06:32 PM
Hook was the car drivable before you rebuilt the carb or did you rebuild the carb because the car quit? The reason I ask is because a slipped timing chain can cause what you are describing.


The car ran great and I just had the bright ::) idea to put a kit in it as it had been a long time since I had put one in it. Well the problems began so I took it off and took it to a mechanic and he put a kit in it and still the same results. He told me something about the gasket did not seem right. He told me this before I put the carb back on and it still did the same thing. Not sure if the tag on the carb is wrong or what. I'm going to try and hunt down a local Ford guru if there is one in the valley and see if he as an answer.

I have several things I want to get started on but the car must be in good running condition before I can start as I'm not giving the car to anyone with it pumping fuel all over the intake. :o I wouldn't sleep at night.

Hook