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68gt390
06/13/2006, 08:27 PM
There may be some out there who don't agree with where I stand on the view of the war in Iraq. But, as a retired military person I felt that I had to post this email that was sent to me today. Either way, hate it or love it, it is our country to protect and serve.

Don :wink:


A mother asked President Bush,
"Why did my son have to die in Iraq?"

Another mother asked President Kennedy,
"Why did my son have to die in Viet Nam?"

Another mother asked President Truman,
"Why did my son have to die in Korea?

Another mother asked President F.D. Roosevelt,
"Why did my son have to die at Iwo Jima?"

Another mother asked President W. Wilson,
"Why did my son have to die on the battlefield of France?"

Yet another mother asked President Lincoln,
"Why did my son have to die at Gettysburg?"

And yet another mother asked President G. Washington,
"Why did my son have to die near Valley Forge?"

Then long, long ago, a mother asked...
"Heavenly Father, why did my Son have to die
on a cross outside of Jerusalem?"

The answers to all these are similar --
"So that others may have life and dwell in peace,
happiness and freedom."

This was emailed to me with no author
and I thought the magnitude
and the simplicity were awesome ...

Love to All

IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS,
PLEASE, FEEL FREE...
TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !!!

Mosesatm
06/14/2006, 04:56 AM
IMHO, Equating the Iraq conflict to the Crucifixion is reprehensible, unless Bush really is God as he seems to believe.

rvrtrash
06/14/2006, 07:13 AM
I don't think that's what it's saying at all. I know some don't understand or agree with why we go to war, but that shouldn't minimize the bravery or sacrifices of our troops. The ones I've talked too paint a different picture of what's going on over there than the media.
Steve

Mustanglvr
06/14/2006, 09:43 AM
I thought it was very touching. I`m proud as hell of my nephew who has served two tours in Iraq and of all the other soldiers who have and are serving our country. They are dying so that we can be free. I wish more people would realize that and be just as proud. My husband`s ancestors fought in the revolutionary war, anybody hear of Col. Abram Penn? His brother John Penn signed the Declaration of Independence. My gggrandfather died in the Mexican American War. I had many relatives who died in the Civil War. We never met or knew these people, but they served and died so that we, their ancestors and everyone else who lives in this great country of ours can be free.

marie68csmustangs
06/14/2006, 11:09 AM
I personally don't know anyone that is fighting in Iraq. But, I do support the troops, and what they are doing for us to be free. I don't know about all of you but, I do think that the Media is one sided because they only show those protesting aginst the war. I know that there may be people out there with different opinions - and that's OK - I don't agree with them at all, But, I know that they have a voice too. That's what our country is all about.. freedom!

Marie

Mustanglvr
06/14/2006, 11:45 AM
I understand there are people who don`t support the war but do support our troops, I feel thats ok, but when idiots start protesting at a soldiers funeral like they did here in Minnesota a few months ago, now thats going too far. They passed a new law against it right after it happened too. Anybody that does`nt support our troops should be hung for treason. Like Don said "If you don`t stand behind our troops, please, feel free to stand in front of them!

Mosesatm
06/14/2006, 01:27 PM
I agree with all the above posts. In fact, I don't know of a single person who doesn't support the brave men and women who are on the front lines of the Iraq conflict. A guy I went to high school with nearly died over there. He was proud to be there and we were all proud of him.

My only point is that the poem seems to me that the author blatantly and perversely uses the heroism of those men and women to justify all the our previous wars and conflicts by equating them to the cruxifiction and thereby claiming the conflicts were either divine or beyond reproach.

A moving tribute to the troops could have been written without including what appears to be a thinly veiled justification for our invasion of Iraq.

Perkchiro
06/14/2006, 01:49 PM
"unless Bush really is God as he seems to believe"

I don't get that impression. Pres. Bush believes in God, but I've never heard him refer to himself as the infallible supreme creator. Bush bashing may be popular these days but one thing for sure, we live in a secure, terror free country since 9/11 because our troops are fighting "over there" instead of here. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'd be shooting at terrorists from your living room window if it weren't for the offensive maneuvers our US military has taken on in Iraq. We should support our troops and military efforts. My Dad is a WWII vet and if it weren't for those brave men and women, we'd be eating fish heads and rice cakes and paying taxes to a Japanese emperor. If we don't win this war against radical terroists, you'll be doing noon time face to the floor prayers to mecca every day. Get it?

Mosesatm
06/14/2006, 02:10 PM
Steve, did you write that before or after my last post?

nfrntau
06/14/2006, 04:14 PM
We eat fish heads and rice cakes in my home now. How many Iraqi restaurants do you see around? in my opinion their food sucks. If it were good, you would see lots of Iraqi restaurants despite the war.
The difference is Freedom, Safety and value of life, not food.

I for one am proud to be American, always will be.

Perkchiro
06/14/2006, 08:48 PM
Sorry, I guess you didn't get my point. It wasn't about food.

Mustanglvr
06/14/2006, 09:43 PM
We eat fish heads and rice cakes in my home now. How many Iraqi restaurants do you see around? in my opinion their food sucks. If it were good, you would see lots of Iraqi restaurants despite the war.
The difference is Freedom, Safety and value of life, not food.

I for one am proud to be American, always will be.

Why on earth would you eat fish heads?

p51
06/15/2006, 02:43 AM
I'm a Republican, a conservative, a native Texan and stand 100% behind our military, their capabilities, and their values. They did a superb job at *winning* the war in both Afganistan and Iraq...

...however, our administration (separate and *very* distinct from our military) has done a poor job at winning the peace. They have completely missed the lessons learned during WWII on how to control a conquered country - not sure if it was out of ignorance or hubris or both but the problems we are having in Iraq today were not inevitable.

All in all, our president is likeable, is probably relatively intelligent, is well-intended but, unfortunately, also appears to be profoundly ignorant and seeminlgly lacks even a modicum of wisdom... but, this is what happens when *we* the people elect someone who got into Yale through the "alumni affirmative action program", avoided the draft by spending his time defending Texas (Texas Air Natl Guard), and was a playboy until age forty. How the Grand Old Party of Lincoln, Roosevelt (Teddy), Eisenhower, Goldwater, Reagan, Bush (the dad), McCain could have picked him befuddles me. To me he's the Republican version of Teddy Kenndy. Fortunately, we've never been crazy enough to elect Teddy as president.

Mosesatm
06/15/2006, 04:11 AM
Sorry about starting the train that took your post this far off track Don. Supporting our men and women in the armed services is important and they certainly deserve our gratitude and respect.

still looking for one
06/15/2006, 07:41 AM
IMHO, Equating the Iraq conflict to the Crucifixion is reprehensible, unless Bush really is God as he seems to believe.

That statement mirrors my sentiments 100%. Comparing the war in Iraq to Christ on the cross outrages me both as an American AND as a Christian.

I will go further, and say that equating the war in Iraq with a "crusade" will only further outrage the Iraquis whose hearts and minds we are hoping to win.

The safety and security of our OWN troops comes FIRST as far as I am concerned, and *that* is why we MUST support the troops.

We are losing through death and injury about a battalion of troops a month in Iraq, with no end in sight.

That is TERRIBLE!! Our soldiers are are fighting and dying over there in Iraq and Afghanistan, and our support of the troops must continue to include their needs as VETERANS, AFTER they get back home, whether in VA benefits, the VA hospitals, and whatever else they fought for and bled to earn!!! That was an awful lesson of Vietnamm and too many Vietnam vets are paying the price today for our neglect of them after hostilities ceased. This must *never* be allowed to happen again.

Certain people have questioned the current war in Iraq and how we came to be involved in it, they are saying the war in Iraq is wrong.

And like the war in Vietnam, which even President Nixon finally admitted was wrong, it is hard to skirt the argument that if the war was wrong, then it was wrong to fight it....

I don't know what motivated the Presdent to go secretly to Iraq wearing 25 lbs of body armour, so secretly that his own CIA head did not know, whether for his own political aggrandizement or to give an "ATTABOY" to the troops there.

Maybe he went that way because there are enough insurgents there who would love to shoot his plane down, with a LAW or an RPG or assassinate him if they knew he was there. If the insurgents killed President Bush, well, he would achieve instant martyrdom and the Middle East would really run red with blood, everywhere

Mustanglvr
06/15/2006, 07:52 AM
The answers to all these are similar --
"So that others may have life and dwell in peace,
happiness and freedom"

"The answers to these are similar" I think ultimately the answer is very clear.

still looking for one
06/15/2006, 08:22 AM
"unless Bush really is God as he seems to believe"

I don't get that impression. Pres. Bush believes in God, but I've never heard him refer to himself as the infallible supreme creator. Bush bashing may be popular these days but one thing for sure, we live in a secure, terror free country since 9/11 because our troops are fighting "over there" instead of here. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'd be shooting at terrorists from your living room window if it weren't for the offensive maneuvers our US military has taken on in Iraq. We should support our troops and military efforts. My Dad is a WWII vet and if it weren't for those brave men and women, we'd be eating fish heads and rice cakes and paying taxes to a Japanese emperor. If we don't win this war against radical terroists, you'll be doing noon time face to the floor prayers to mecca every day. Get it?

Radical Islam is like a dreadful aberation of a terrible religion that should have died a thousand years ago but somehow survived.

We-and other countries - are fighting a war against radical islamist extremists who will not be happy until we are under the foot of a dreadful Islamist theocracy.

They will continue to attack until their idea of a Terrorist utopia takes hold in Indonesia, Canada, Spain, Europe, Africa and Asia, England and.....here

They will continue to do so until we either submit, or kill them all.

I would personally prefer the latter option.

Jim B.

Mosesatm
06/15/2006, 09:15 AM
This is my buddy from high school.

If the link doesn't produce the entire article I can e-mail a copy to anyone who wants it. The article is too long to post here. I'll see if I can pdf it and post it that way.

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/Esquire/2006/04/01/1261115?emaId=128046&oliID=176

Mosesatm
06/15/2006, 05:49 PM
Here is the article as a .pdf file.

BroadwayBlue
06/15/2006, 07:13 PM
This is my buddy from high school.

If the link doesn't produce the entire article I can e-mail a copy to anyone who wants it. The article is too long to post here. I'll see if I can pdf it and post it that way.

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/Esquire/2006/04/01/1261115?emaId=128046&oliID=176

What a story Arlie! I haven' sat and read something so intensely in a long time. I wish him well and thank him!

still looking for one
06/15/2006, 10:46 PM
A *must* read for every American. This aspect of the war doesn't sell newspapers. Oh boy, that was REAL tough just to read. I can't even begin to imagine having to live it

As I said, ibid, we MUST SUPPORT our troops, and THAT MEANS VETERANS TOO (and, Yes I WAS shouting)

Jim

Perkchiro
06/16/2006, 07:48 AM
"All in all, our president is likeable, is probably relatively intelligent, is well-intended but, unfortunately, also appears to be profoundly ignorant and seeminlgly lacks even a modicum of wisdom... but, this is what happens when *we* the people elect someone who got into Yale through the "alumni affirmative action program", avoided the draft by spending his time defending Texas (Texas Air Natl Guard), and was a playboy until age forty."

BUNK! ( and yes, I'm shouting too!)

Mustanger
06/16/2006, 08:02 AM
I think we need to pray for all the troops serving our country, and to also pray for our leaders, from the President, to the generals, and down to the squad leaders. These guys need all the help they can get.

On another note, this story, a very moving one, makes me marvel as to how much medical science has come along ... I mean, in previous wars, there's no way that these guys would survive and come back into society the way they do now. I truly thank God for the skilled doctors and therapists that help these heroes make a come back and are able to see their family and friends. God bless them all!

68gt390
06/16/2006, 03:33 PM
IMHO, Equating the Iraq conflict to the Crucifixion is reprehensible, unless Bush really is God as he seems to believe.

Folks, I've sat here this week and watched and read what you've posted and said. Some of you folks are so far off base it's not funny.

I don't know where you got the idea that what I posted equates the Iraq war to a Crucifixion or a Crusade or Bush thinking he's God. It's about support for our "TROOPS". Some of you couldn't be more offline than your computer. I might have been wrong in posting this here in the "Off Topic Lounge" but, I dont' think so. OK, Jon you can pull this if you want but, it's time I say what I think.

The War in Iraq is not about 9/11. That's just part of it. These people (Muslims) have been trying to kill us for the past 20+ years. Wake up folks. We can't afford to loose this war on terrorism. If we do we loose our way of life. These people don't just want to shut us up, they want to wipe us off the face of the earth. Our news is so white washed and santized, none of us are getting the real story. It's unfortunate that our troops on the front lines are just about the only ones that see the true story. Please, if not for your own sake, for the sake of your childrens children wake up and see what's going on around you. I spent 20 plus years defending this country and I will continue to do so until the day I die. If that means I have to battle someone or anyone on my front pourch than so be it. End of my soap box.

Don

Mosesatm
06/16/2006, 04:08 PM
Don, I certainly understand your passion for the situation, and if I had been in the military I might feel the same, but your life experiences have given you a particular way you view things and other's lives have given them other ways to view the same thing. That is the beauty of this country and of our different experiences; it lets us discuss ideas in a way that we can try to make others understand our point of view and at the same time we can do our best to understand theirs.

In light of that I think to say that everyone who does not agree with you is "so far off base it's not funny" is an interesting statement. And to firmly state that we are all a bunch of witless rubes who can't see what is happening around them is, in my opinion, a little insulting.

I still read the poem as equating the Iraq conflict to the crucifixion. I don't know what was in the author's head when he or she wrote the poem but my life experiences and my mathematical and overly-analytical mind makes the direct connection. To me it is just like high school geometry. If a=b, and c=b, then a=c.

I'd also like to remind everyone that a group who could be considered some of the worst terrorists in modern times were a bunch of white Christians from Ireland. Remember the IRA?

I understand that I am the one who started this whole out-of-control thread by pointing out the crucifix thing and I apologize for the turn the thread has taken, but in my defense I started the reply with IMHO, which means in my humble opinion. That's all it is, just my humble opinion and I wouldn't want to force it upon anyone.

In the poem you see a tribute to soldiers and I see a justification for war. Who's right and who's wrong? Who cares??? The only way we will ever know is to find the author and that probably isn't going to happen.

Who's right and who's wrong about the Iraq conflict? I don't think anyone is right or wrong because it is not a right or wrong issue. The whole thing is far too complex and convoluted for there to be a right or wrong answer.

Mustanglvr
06/16/2006, 07:17 PM
Lets not bring the IRA into this. The IRA are just reacting in the same way as America would if the muslims took all our food from our ports and made the country starve, pushed their religion on us and insisted we become and believe in a whole different religion, etc.....

68gt390
06/16/2006, 08:27 PM
Don, I certainly understand your passion for the situation, and if I had been in the military I might feel the same, but your life experiences have given you a particular way you view things and other's lives have given them other ways to view the same thing. That is the beauty of this country and of our different experiences; it lets us discuss ideas in a way that we can try to make others understand our point of view and at the same time we can do our best to understand theirs.

In light of that I think to say that everyone who does not agree with you is "so far off base it's not funny" is an interesting statement. And to firmly state that we are all a bunch of witless rubes who can't see what is happening around them is, in my opinion, a little insulting.

I still read the poem as equating the Iraq conflict to the crucifixion. I don't know what was in the author's head when he or she wrote the poem but my life experiences and my mathematical and overly-analytical mind makes the direct connection. To me it is just like high school geometry. If a=b, and c=b, then a=c.

I'd also like to remind everyone that a group who could be considered some of the worst terrorists in modern times were a bunch of white Christians from Ireland. Remember the IRA?



Arlie;
No, you don't understand my passion. You've never been there to see your bothers in arms blown up in front of you. And yes, your right my life expierences have given me a different way to see things. I do have to admit your right, this country gives us all the freedom to say and feel the way we do. But, to say that "In light of that I think to say that everyone who does not agree with you is so far off base it's not funny is an interesting statement." I never said you were all a bunch of witless rubes, you said that not me. Do me a favor Arlie, go back to sleep. That seems to be your best way of operation.

Don

Mosesatm
06/16/2006, 08:44 PM
Don, why lower yourself to hurling insults. I've always thought you to be above that.

You're right, the "witless rube" description was mine, not yours. But that is how I read, "Please, if not for your own sake, for the sake of your childrens children wake up and see what's going on around you."

Sorry, but when someone tells me to wake up and see what's going on around me I take that as meaning the author of the statement holds the answer and I am clueless, hence the "witless rube" analogy.

If that is not how you meant the comment, again, I apologize for misinterpretation.

Rhonda, what's wrong with mentioning the IRA? It seems to me that terrorists are terrorists no matter what holy cause they support. Again, they are the perfect example that there is not always a good-vs.-evil or right-vs.-wrong in every situation.

68gt390
06/16/2006, 09:08 PM
Don, why lower yourself to hurling insults. I've always thought you to be above that.

You're right, the "witless rube" description was mine, not yours.

Arlie;
That's were your wrong, I'm not hurling insults, I'm just stating a fact. Like I said "go back to sleep", I promise I won't be on your front porch, I'll be on my own. In case you haven't noticed Arlie, the IRA have nothing to do with Iraq. Take another prozac and call me in three days.

Don :icon_bore

Mosesatm
06/16/2006, 09:49 PM
Arlie;
That's were your wrong, I'm not hurling insults, I'm just stating a fact. Like I said "go back to sleep", I promise I won't be on your front porch, I'll be on my own. In case you haven't noticed Arlie, the IRA have nothing to do with Iraq. Take another prozac and call me in three days.

Don :icon_bore

Again with the insults.:cry:

Don, for the benefit of both of us, and eveyone one else who has been reading this nonsense between us, I'm going to give up tryng to have a civil discussion, take your your advice, and call it a night.

But please explain the porch thing tomorrow. Now you've piqued my curiosity:wink: .

Mustanglvr
06/16/2006, 10:33 PM
Maybe we should worry about the terrorists in our own country, like the KKK, street gangs and organized crime families. Even our own children are becoming terrorists by shooting up their own schools.

68gt390
06/19/2006, 07:00 AM
Maybe we should worry about the terrorists in our own country, like the KKK, street gangs and organized crime families. Even our own children are becoming terrorists by shooting up their own schools.

Maybe those who claim to be parents today should be doing a better job. I have found that many of the young folks today have no respect for much of anything including themselves. :rolleyes:
As far as I can see it, that responsibility falls on their parents.

Don

Mustanglvr
06/19/2006, 07:09 AM
Yes, exactly Don. Thats just what I was saying in a thread where we were talking about the Columbine massacre.

Midnight Special
06/19/2006, 10:58 AM
...Don, I like your poem - thank you for posting it. Re; terrorism and Iraq - This has been brewing for a long time and ignored by administrations on all sides until 911. Like it or not, we're "in it", so let's stay together and "win it".

marie68csmustangs
06/19/2006, 02:55 PM
Yeah, the troops really need us to be 100% behind them.. It would be very good for their morale - to know that we fully support them!

Marie