mrshelbydallas
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- Jun 21, 2003
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- 75
Dear Forum,
There is no accussing going on. As for the feedback issue, I was talking about another auction(the canadian mustang) AS for your car, I felt I should mention this to the forum for the buyer to be informed as much as possible. That is the purpose of the forum is to inform. I failed to see anywhere in your description on ebay where the car was previously in a flood, or the engine was seized?? I know as metioned by FAST67 that "He never mentioned the water issue because neither I or any of you would have known it ". This is indeed, is the wrong way to conduct business practices. The consumer should be fully informed, and all previous information about the car should be disclosed whether or not anyone would have known it. This is comparable to someone selling a perfectly replicated shelby, as a authentic shelby. No one would have known it, right? Why tell them? Yours is indeed misrepresentation, as is my previous example.
I just metioned this in passing, knowing that I would like to know this fact in case i was the next owner. And anyone that isn't up front about a previous flood, fails to pass my "on the level" test as well. And "cizzash" is new slang for "mula" for all of you old timers. If you can't figure that one out, I can't really help you. ;D
As for the rust issue, this isn't an easy repair. Anytime high water enters the rocker panels, torque boxes, or frame rails(the insides are not water tight, and are bare metal) the integrity of the metal is compromised by the assurance of the formation of rust. Water was not meant to enter these areas. I consider a vehicle totaled when it costs more to repair the car than the cars blue book value. And I can assure you, to replace the frame rails, torque boxes, quarters, rocker panels, and floorpans, this more than exceeds the current value.
And anytime rust bubbles form and can be seen through paint, you can be assured there is plenty of rust underneath that hasn't peaked its head. The proper way to repair this isnt "cheap, or easy". One has to strip the panel to bare metal and access the situation. Because a patch can not be considered a concourse repair, the proper way to repair quarter rust is to replace the panel(enire quarter panel). A patch can be installed, not cheaply though, and the ever so slight difference in reproduction contouring after painting can be seen unless many numbers of bodyman hours are taken to adjust the surface, resulting in undesirable filler.
AS for proper cowl repair, it isn't cheap or easy. One must drill about 180 spot welds to split the cowl to get inside. Then patch panels must be welded in to replace rusted holes in metal. Those temporary plastic hats and silicone kits are easy fixes, just delaying the inevitable "car surgery".
I can assure you, I did not post this to defame you, or suggest that you are not honest. I know you are not trying to make a quick buck, but asking someone to pay over $6000 for a car that has major current rust issues(floorpans, cowl, quarters, doors), and the undisclosed potential major future issues that haven't yet been accessed from previous flooding(frame rails, torques boxes, rocker panesl). Some things slip the mind sometimes. But a flood should not slip the mind when selling a car. Lets consider my attempt to mention the on the forum is helping you to "inform the customer" . I've been burned many times, as I'm sure we all have, and I don't mind helping others know facts before they buy to prevent them from being burned. You know, It is possible to update your auction information, and have seen no attempts at disclosing info as of this date?
I'm sure that any of you would agree with me that this is the right thing to do? So, please don't have any hard feelings towards me, and see my post as an attempt to help, not to hurt.
There is no accussing going on. As for the feedback issue, I was talking about another auction(the canadian mustang) AS for your car, I felt I should mention this to the forum for the buyer to be informed as much as possible. That is the purpose of the forum is to inform. I failed to see anywhere in your description on ebay where the car was previously in a flood, or the engine was seized?? I know as metioned by FAST67 that "He never mentioned the water issue because neither I or any of you would have known it ". This is indeed, is the wrong way to conduct business practices. The consumer should be fully informed, and all previous information about the car should be disclosed whether or not anyone would have known it. This is comparable to someone selling a perfectly replicated shelby, as a authentic shelby. No one would have known it, right? Why tell them? Yours is indeed misrepresentation, as is my previous example.
I just metioned this in passing, knowing that I would like to know this fact in case i was the next owner. And anyone that isn't up front about a previous flood, fails to pass my "on the level" test as well. And "cizzash" is new slang for "mula" for all of you old timers. If you can't figure that one out, I can't really help you. ;D
As for the rust issue, this isn't an easy repair. Anytime high water enters the rocker panels, torque boxes, or frame rails(the insides are not water tight, and are bare metal) the integrity of the metal is compromised by the assurance of the formation of rust. Water was not meant to enter these areas. I consider a vehicle totaled when it costs more to repair the car than the cars blue book value. And I can assure you, to replace the frame rails, torque boxes, quarters, rocker panels, and floorpans, this more than exceeds the current value.
And anytime rust bubbles form and can be seen through paint, you can be assured there is plenty of rust underneath that hasn't peaked its head. The proper way to repair this isnt "cheap, or easy". One has to strip the panel to bare metal and access the situation. Because a patch can not be considered a concourse repair, the proper way to repair quarter rust is to replace the panel(enire quarter panel). A patch can be installed, not cheaply though, and the ever so slight difference in reproduction contouring after painting can be seen unless many numbers of bodyman hours are taken to adjust the surface, resulting in undesirable filler.
AS for proper cowl repair, it isn't cheap or easy. One must drill about 180 spot welds to split the cowl to get inside. Then patch panels must be welded in to replace rusted holes in metal. Those temporary plastic hats and silicone kits are easy fixes, just delaying the inevitable "car surgery".
I can assure you, I did not post this to defame you, or suggest that you are not honest. I know you are not trying to make a quick buck, but asking someone to pay over $6000 for a car that has major current rust issues(floorpans, cowl, quarters, doors), and the undisclosed potential major future issues that haven't yet been accessed from previous flooding(frame rails, torques boxes, rocker panesl). Some things slip the mind sometimes. But a flood should not slip the mind when selling a car. Lets consider my attempt to mention the on the forum is helping you to "inform the customer" . I've been burned many times, as I'm sure we all have, and I don't mind helping others know facts before they buy to prevent them from being burned. You know, It is possible to update your auction information, and have seen no attempts at disclosing info as of this date?
I'm sure that any of you would agree with me that this is the right thing to do? So, please don't have any hard feelings towards me, and see my post as an attempt to help, not to hurt.