. a matter of conscience

[franklinair]

Good to hear from you Doug. You did a heckuva job on that 390 CS. I'm sure it went to a good home!
Hope you someday find the 'right' CS for your stable. (I prefer the small blocks myself as well.)

Neil

 

[Doug]

Good to hear from you Doug. You did a heckuva job on that 390 CS. I'm sure it went to a good home!
Hope you someday find the 'right' CS for your stable. (I prefer the small blocks myself as well.) Neil

I am on this site quite often and am keeping watch on your car's rebuilding. I wish that I would have bought your yellow one. I sure like the green one as well.

Cheers and good luck, Doug

 

[DeadStang]

...With implied exception to mine, I consider all of the responses here as reasonable and respectful by folks who have made more than their share of contributions. No need to lock this thread. And although we're primarily about "Mustangs", many friendships have kindered well beyond cars...including, by mail, phone and in person. Jbart was no exception until his latest post (request). Nonetheless, people have something to say, so let 'em say it and clear the air. Otherwise, it pops up as another one-sided injustice further down the road.
Like it or not - it's all part of the same passion that comes with loyalty....>

On a side note - maybe "the chics at work" are due some similar well-meaning feedback.

I guess I'm dense, but I don't understand what you're saying to me. I wasn't singling you out in my post--I was speaking generally and responding to the thread. It feels to me like one negative thing get said (as the PO initiated), and then everyone piles on with an opinion and it turns into a dog fight. I guess I'm as guilty as those I am condemning as I have also commented on this thread--and here I am doing it again!

The grandstanding "goodbye" threads are just posters being attention whores and are totally pointless. Who cares? Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. After more than 10 years being a Mustang internet addict, I've seen that people tend to come and go. Those whose knowledge I miss the most usually are the ones that just faded away.

I won't comment on the SAAC post regarding selling the 390 CS because of the bickering on the Forum as what I think is totally not constructive and would likely have some non-printable words included. BUT, at the Mustang Round Up last summer, my husband and I ran into a (former) member here who was selling his very sweet CS. He was selling due to overcrowding and actually had 2 Mustangs there for sale and was going to keep whichever did not sell. He was a super nice and extremely knowledgeable guy, and we really enjoyed talking with him; I was sorely tempted to buy his CS, but I'm the opposite of the poster above and prefer the FE Mustangs, so we didn't--but it was a beautiful car. Back to my point, while talking, I realized that he and I "knew" some people in common and I asked if he'd ever been a member here. He replied that he was, but that he got a bad taste in his mouth when the big blow-up occurred and tired of the negativity...and he faded away and no longer visits the Forum. This guy was someone who knew his Mustangs, and I'm certain was a wealth of information that is no longer contributed to those of us who are lacking in skills or experience when trying to work on these old cars.

Regarding the comment about the girls at work...I'm also not certain what you're saying to me. I 'd love to tell them to pull their heads from their rectums, grow up, and just frigg'in do the job, but I think I'd find myself all alone, which wouldn't be such a good thing. Instead, I try to be diplomatic and keep the peace, while privately having more unprintable thoughts inside my head.

 

[aemoo28]

Deadstang-

Yes, he will be a loss to this site (the member from RU you speak of). His CS was a very sweet little thing. She left the country. Did you see the red Mustang? The 66? She's gorgeous, strong, and perfect. And the black fastback... whoaa.... don't get me started on that mean lookin' snarly thing.

You bring up a good point. Members have left this site that are valuable to our Mustang history. He worked at the early Ford assembly plant, and was a GREAT asset to this site as well as my '68's rebuild. He left *quietly* and *respectfully* which has showed in his gentle character as long as I've known him.

The intention of this opening post was not necessary. I'm glad it's been somewhat hijacked. It's what we do, right? Turn things around? Dance it off!

xoxo

 

[admin]

This thread has done a bit of wandering so my comments below will wander also to address some points.

J.Bart, if that's how you feel then yes it's probably best to move on. But I agree with others that generally the "I'm leaving" threads are simply attention seeking. To me this was confirmed when I saw your latest post at SAAC announcing to them that you've left here. Talk about stirring up drama. There's no other purpose for that post except drama; something the SAAC moderators picked up on immediately with their response to you.

I do agree though that any single member shouldn't speak for the entire membership here, especially on another forum where the history has been a bit rocky towards us. At first I too thought that's what Rob was doing, but after reading his comments carefully he isn't actually speaking for CS.com, but rather about it and it's members. So I'm not singling out Rob, but instead would just ask everyone to be careful about not representing your opinions as those of our whole membership.

Personally I would prefer that members here refrain from posting about us at SAAC. I understand the desire to defend against some of the snide comments directed at CS.com, but this site is more than strong enough to ignore those for the petty remarks that they are. As others have said countless times, our members here are extremely friendly, enthusiastic and generous with their knowledge. That's what people will see when they come here.

Yes, we did lose members and some sense of community during the blowup at Paul's leaving and resulting drama. But he's been gone for years now and yet it seems every time he makes a comment at SAAC it stirs everything up again here. And I for one am very tired of the whole issue. I don't want to keep perpetuating this cycle, so I would ask that his comments about CS.com just be ignored. Certainly I don't want them brought back here to be rehashed, but I would also prefer they not get hashed out over at SAAC either. Unfortunately I think defending us over there can sometimes do more damage then just letting it go.

 

[sportyworty]

Just for the record I am sportyworty on all forums except this one and stand by my post on SAAC. I am an active member and contributor on many forums but my wife was the owner of our first GT/CS and selected the worty handle. Do not think she has been on here in the past 7 years. lol

The drama post is spot on. I try to always remember it is about the cars not the people and buy the car not the story. This has taken years to sink in and honor to myself but have been lessons well learned. That being said many friendships have come along as well.
The Boss 302 Registry can be a tough place at times and at one point decided to sell the Boss and exit. It was brought to my attention from a fellow member and friend the above learned lessons. I did sell that car but for the honest reason of it bored me and was too slow. Still a member though and have had several since.
Also agree SAAC is really not that interested in the GT/CS..why should they. This forum is the place to be for GT/CS and always has been. Best to the new admin and mods

 

[robert campbell]

Jon,
Well said. As always. You nailed what I was trying to say perfectly, but I must admit I reread what I posted a couple of times and gave myself a self check. I was speaking about our site and not for, but that can sometimes can get misconstrued if you walk to close to the line. And in that, I can be targeted as someone who thinks he speaks for all. That is exactly the sort that we wanted removed from this site.

It took me some time to really realize what bothered me the most in this issue. Someone being given a vehicle to continue sniping at the wonderful people here, many that I call my friends. I can see what happened in the recent threads about leaving our site, and that the SAAC moderators are sensitized to the issue of their site being misused in this way. That is all we want to cease. I have never seen anyone on our site disparage members on another Ford site let alone any other site. Nor have SAAC members done this other than this issue. They can be rough, but rough on all.

I think that is why I enjoy this site so much. The wide range of help available to any owner of the GT/CS and HCS cars. From mechanical help to most finite detail in originality, parts location, and in some cases free parts. It is all here and freely shared with no ownership! That is the very core of the people in this site. We should pride ourselves in that!

It is my hope that the GT/CS portion of the SAAC site can remain neutral and helpful. I will tell you that the member spoken about above who has been purported to leaving us because of the drama is still there and helpful if asked. We have met twice in the last two weeks and spoke over the phone on some stinking carb issues I was fighting!! Darn 4100 idling issues. He is out there on our site. Just a bit quieter. And a wealth of mechanical information and Ford history.

Rob

 

[68 special]

SOOOOOOOO, how about those Seahawks?????




sorry, Just had to do it.

Bret

 

[aemoo28]

What about those Hawks, Birthday Boy Bret?

 

[CALIF GIRL]

Regarding the comment about the girls at work...I'm also not certain what you're saying to me. I 'd love to tell them to pull their heads from their rectums, grow up, and just frigg'in do the job, but I think I'd find myself all alone, which wouldn't be such a good thing. Instead, I try to be diplomatic and keep the peace, while privately having more unprintable thoughts inside my head.

DeadStang- I think the problem with the "chicks at work" reference was that is it quite sexist, not politicaly correct, inflammatory and shows a considerable lack of respect toward women in the workplace.

 

[DeadStang]

DeadStang- I think the problem with the "chicks at work" reference was that is it quite sexist, not politicaly correct, inflammatory and shows a considerable lack of respect toward women in the workplace.

Hmm, OK. I'm one of the chicks at work, so I guess I don't see it that way.

 

[CALIF GIRL]

Hmm, OK. I'm one of the chicks at work, so I guess I don't see it that way.

Most people do.

 

[dalorzo_f]

Yep, no chicks, or dudes, or anything but "workers"... wait can't use that as it has proletarian and communist implications; no "bosses" either, capitalist and aristocratic echoes...

Can't use "Sir" (implies military or seniorty, and status based on gender), Ma'am is out (obviously as a contraction of Madam, what that implies is way off limits) , Miss can't work as it imples unmarried and is ageist as older women of the same socioecomonic and realtionship status as "younger" females commonly addressed with the term are commonly called by other terms like ma'a....er "hey you old lady". Old is out, ageist (96 is the new 23!) And you can't use Lady as it has similar baggage as Ma'am and Miss...

This is getting hard...

Mister is out as it derives from "master" or "great" so can't be used, "Dude" is out, too casual and imples the whole surfer/stoner image... or so I hear!

So I guess its left to "women"... wait... can't use that as its a derivative of "men" some feminists disapprove... (some can't even bear the use of "history" due to gender bias... wonder if they get hersterectomy's?)

And on a side note, we can't use "feminist" as it's gender specific and has sexist/gender bias as most females agreeing with the philosophy won't allow it to be used by men, even if the agree with the agenda/issues/views so is sexist as well...

And we can't use "females" and "males" as there is a subset of society that falls into an area between the two, so one can not assume. Not to mention some of the she-males I've seen on the streets in Thailand that sure don't look like guys... and some of the chic...er... wome...er... fema.... er... "lesbian biker appearing individuals" I've seen in SF that have the look of a traditional early 19th century "longshoreman" (not that women can not do the work, just a sterotypical image of a big, burly man for illustrative purposes only!)

So its all off limits in the wonderful, wacky world of "I know what you mean and I'm going to get all worked up over a word that has a meaning that is offensive to someone so no one can use it even if no slight was intended only implied by others"

Hmm... guess we have to just say "people with the biological ability to give birth" or "people with the ability to provide people with the biological ability to give birth the needed material to become pregnant (but it may be provided by a third party and not by direct contact)"... but then that discriminates against those with medical, age, or other conditions which elminate them from the two descriptions above...

Dang... I guess we're stuck with chicks...

Or just let the catfight ensue! :wink:

 

[dalorzo_f]

... and to use a famous quote.. "can't we all just get along" .. and talk about the cars! :tongue:

 

[DeadStang]

I am a child of west coast hippies and that was just a word that was used when I was young, back in the day. Kind of like, in my grandparents' time, one was gay w/o being a homosexual. So I moved to the midwest when I was 18 and ended up with a job at a lawn and garden store; we would call over an intercom to the "yard guys (whoops--being sexist there as well)" that someone was coming down for some bark mulch or rock, etc. One day, I called down that a chick was coming to pick up something and my boss puffed up like a little chicken and chewed me out for calling her a chick. The woman said, "oh no, it's great! No one has called me a chick in years!"

I don't intend to offend people, and I try not to, but I'll not apologize for calling myself and the girls at works chicks. There are a lot more serious things going on in the world these days than worrying about semantics on an internet forum...especially one for Mustangs, which tends to be a male-dominated topic. If I annoy, ignore my posts.

 

[Midnight Special]

...Gosh, and not to mention all the ethnic jokes I spent so many years remembering that we can't repeat... What a thread this has turned out to be! ;-)

 

[aemoo28]

This CHICK is gonna kick your @sses if ya'll don't get along.

I reserve the right to be as policitically incorrect, bossy, and take charge as I see fit.

Just sayin'.

 

[Midnight Special]

This CHICK is gonna kick your @sses if ya'll don't get along.

Oh, I think we're getting along... Just responding to our terminals (and not in person) as usual. No worries here.... as "matter of conscience" ;-)

 

[joedls]

This CHICK is gonna kick your @sses if ya'll don't get along.

I reserve the right to be as policitically incorrect, bossy, and take charge as I see fit.

Just sayin'.

You might wanna re-think that. I'm pretty sure CalifGirl would win that one. She is, after all, my Sis.

 

[Midnight Special]

You might wanna re-think that. I'm pretty sure CalifGirl would win that one. She is, after all, my Sis.

...And her "little bro" Joe is in the know! ;-)