Back Seat/Trunk Separation Material

[PNewitt]

In the "60 Minutes II" report, a woman was severly burned when she inhaled hot gas fumes. It's not only the gas fluid, but the vapor.

I'm getting a fuel cell.

Too bad someone doesn't make an original '65-68 stock looking fuel cell for Mustangs. The CHP/police in Arizona put bladders into their Crown Vic gas tanks as a quick fix.

Paul N.

 

[390cs68rcode]

The bolt and self locking nut kinda killes your sharp bullet theory.

oh the small details.



think a second and picture the nanoseconds after the car hit and you look to the side and notice sharp screws whizzing by at 400MPH. kinda Twilight Zone kinda stuff.



ok, back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[Mustanglvr]

I can see it Jason. ;D

 

[Mosesatm]

Regarding the discussion about cardboard vs jute material; my car has both.

Here is a link Bill sent me for the metal divider.

http://johnsmustang.com/Catalog/360/

 

[68gt390]

[quote author=Mosesatm link=board=1;threadid=1806;start=15#msg11724 date=1119140968]
Regarding the discussion about cardboard vs jute material; my car has both.

Here is a link Bill sent me for the metal divider.

http://johnsmustang.com/Catalog/360/

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Arlie;
It should have both. The jute covers the seat frame on the back and the cardboard acts as the trunk to interior seperater.

Don

 

[hookedtrout]

Where exactly does this metal divider fit in. Flush against the back of the seat?

Hook

 

[Mosesatm]

Don, the cardboard in my car is behind the seat and the jute material is between the X-brace and the cardboard. From what you described it sounds to me like it should be switched. Is that correct?

Hook, I think the metal panel installs from the trunk, covering the metal X-brace.

 

[68gt390]

Arlie;
Neither of my cars has the "X" brace you describe. I have seen several seats with 2 very thin metal rods forming an "X" across the back of the seat frame itself to support the integrity of the frame (if that is what your describing)? As for the jute material it is attached to the seat by the hog rings that also hold the vinyl to the seat frame. In most older cars that is usually gone or rotted and will simply fall apart. Once the rear seat back is removed there is a square opening into the trunk. The metal divider attaches to the car frame itself from inside the passenger area and the seat back simply sits over top of that.

Don

 

[case12]

Don is right, mine does not have an X brace. It is only a rectangle. At the top and sides are 4 'stamped out hooks' in the metal that hold the cardboard divider in place - the cardboard has 4 holes around the edge that line up with the 'hooks'. Just hook it on, cut the holes for the seat belts and replace the back seat.

I tried to upload a pic, but having troubles with the site accepting - got this error message (The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and contact the administrator.) Sent Jon a note. Casey

 

[hookedtrout]

Pictures would be great. Mine doesn't have the cardboard, must have been discarded over time. Thinking the metal might be a good installation but I don't want to have to tear all the amp and subs out of the trunk area to install. If it installs from the passenger area all the better.

Hook

 

[68gt390]

[quote author=hookedtrout link=board=1;threadid=1806;start=15#msg11742 date=1119215827]
Pictures would be great. Mine doesn't have the cardboard, must have been discarded over time. Thinking the metal might be a good installation but I don't want to have to tear all the amp and subs out of the trunk area to install. If it installs from the passenger area all the better.

Hook
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Hook;
Not to worry, simply pull the rear seat (both bottom and back) and install the steel barrier. I recommend pulling both bottom and back seat to make it easier to install. The steel barrier has some very sharp edges and if you should drop it there goes your bottom seat cover. I also recommend 2 people do the installation. I tried it by myself in my GT and it wasn't fun. Used 2 of us on the CS and it was in without any trouble. I didn't install my amp etc., until after I had installed the steel barrier. As for my CD changer I first glued a piece of 1" plywood to the upper portion of the trunk floor (drivers side corner) laid the trunk mat over that then attched the bracket for the CD changer to the plywood using wood screws. Again, allowing me to not have to drill through the trunk floor.

Don

 

[Mosesatm]

Ok, I have no idea where this X-brace nonsense came from. Maybe I think I have a convertible!

Anyway, what I have from the trunk going forward is:
Trunk open space
Metal Frame without an X-brace
Jute material falling into the trunk
Hardboard material
I assume the back seat back is next but I haven't removed the seat back so I don't know if there is more jute material attached to it.

So ignoring the x-brace lunacy for now....my jute and hardboard are switched, right? When I open the trunk and look towards the rear seat should I see hardboard?

 

[68gt390]

Arlie;
When looking into the trunk from the rear of the car the only thing you should see is the cardboard backing and not the jute material on the back of the seat frame.

Another thing to consider: If your car is concourse you will have to do the following in order to use the steel barrier. Install the cardboard backing first over the 4 tabs that casey explained earlier. Then in order to get the steel barrier to fit flush you must lightly tap the 4 tabs with a hammer and press them into the cardboard backing then install the steel barrier over that. This way when the judge looks into your trunk from the rear all they will see is the cardboard backing. Be careful not to press the tabs through the backside of the cardboard backing (use the hammer at the base of the tab with an upward motion). Since my cars are not concourse I didn't worry about this particular item. I just pressed the tabs all the way flush. Also, remember after installing the screws or bolts which ever you use (do not use long bolts or sheet metal screws) short is the key here, cover them with body color paint to match the inside of your trunk. I covered mine with black since that is the color of my trunk area. The judges may pick-up on the screws/bolts protruding through the back seat frame but, they will have to have a sharp eye. Not many of the concourse judges have run across the use of the steel barrier and by covering them with body color paint they may not even see it. they would have to really lean way inside of the trunk to see them. Since I judge street driven and daily driven class, this is one item we don't worry about. Last but, not least, make sure any barrier kit you purchase comes with a tube of clear silicone. This is used around the frame of the car to keep the barrier stable and not create any squeeks from the barrier flexing while the car is moving. Hope this helps.

Don

 

[hookedtrout]

[quote author=68gt390 link=board=1;threadid=1806;start=30#msg11745 date=1119222839]
to the upper portion of the trunk floor (drivers side corner) laid the trunk mat over that then attched the bracket for the CD changer to the plywood using wood screws. Again, allowing me to not have to drill through the trunk floor.

Don
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Thanks for the info Don, my CD is in the dash, I used a bezel that had been cut already, my trunk holds the amp and subs and I built boxes for the subs and a platform between the two boxes for the amp, nothing is bolted down I simply built it to tight tolerances so it doesn't move, you put in one box at a time tucked up to the back of the seat from the trunk side and then you bolt the platform on inbetween the two boxes and it won't even move.

Hook

 

[case12]

Trying the picture of the cardboard divider again. This is from Paul's car. From what Don explains, the metal barrier would go over this. What you see from the trunk is the black cardboard. Casey

 

[nfrntau]

Thought I would toss in a photo of the steel barrier were all talking about. (this is not my car)

 

[Jayscal]

Here is a link to fuel cells that will drop in our cars.

http://www.mustangsplus.com/Merchan...TGY&Store_Code=MPFMP&Category_Code=fuel_cells

 

[390cs68rcode]

so my thought on the screws becoming missles in an explosion would be correct. 8)

 

[Mosesatm]

[quote author=jbsteven link=board=1;threadid=1806;start=30#msg11766 date=1119284246]
so my thought on the screws becoming missles in an explosion would be correct. 8)
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yep.

Wouldn't it be a whole lot safer to attach a metal plate to the trunk side of the frame? I know it would show from the trunk but it would be much stronger.

 

[Mosesatm]

[quote author=Jayscal link=board=1;threadid=1806;start=30#msg11764 date=1119282730]
Here is a link to fuel cells that will drop in our cars.

http://www.mustangsplus.com/Merchan...TGY&Store_Code=MPFMP&Category_Code=fuel_cells
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How does a fuel cell differ from a normal gas tank?