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Clone? or real GT/CS?

John McGilvary

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Its hard to tell for sure from the pictures.

But the front grill is wrong.
The hood is wrong. ect.

IMO I would need a Marti or a closer look to prove it was not a clone.

John
 

C160223

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hmmm, very misleading auction. 2nd line states authentic 1968 California Special, then a couple lines down says Possible GT/CS or HCS.

like John M said, you would need a marti report to verify
 

BroadwayBlue

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I was thinking the same thing when I saw this. Is it or isn't it?

A few dollars for a Basic Marti would go a long way for this seller.

That's pretty aggressive to think someone would be able to get this ready for Barrett Jackson 2008 - that's only 4 months away!!!

A lot of blood, sweat, tears and money ... not to mention the late nights and weekends.
 

franklinair

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Remember the song "Its A Long Way to Tiporary"?
New Lyrics............."Its A Long Way to Barret-Jackson"
If it is indeed a C/S.

Neil Hoppe
 

L8GR868

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Must have forgot to put the hood locks back on it.
Eric
 

Perkchiro

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Looks like the Fogs are original. It would be unusual to find them on a clone car. The holes in the rear quarters for the scoops look correct too. If I had to guess with no bets involved, I'd say it's real.
 

Duker

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I would agree that it looks real...But you just never know. Big$$$$$$ lots of hours to fix up.
 

morr

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MARTI REPT Ford : Mustang 1968 Mustang California Special Barrett Jackson RARE

To all the self proclaimed experts - we appreciate all the attention our CA special is getting. Please check out the posted MARTI REPT on our Ebay Auction. (Ford : Mustang 1968 Mustang California Special Barrett Jackson RARE-Ebay Item number: 290163557916)
Some of you made fun of our Barrett Jackson reference....IF you need help on a complete restoration, in a very timely manner at a fair price, we are the ones to contact. And yes, we could EASILY have it done under 3 months.
As we are all Mustang lovers, let's respect each other. Any positive information you have that will enhance our knowledge is always welcome and very appreciated. We currently have 6 vintage Mustangs that we are rehabing, but we felt this one should go to a good home and let the new owner do the customizing. Again thanks for your attention.
 

John McGilvary

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To all the self proclaimed experts - we appreciate all the attention our CA special is getting. Please check out the posted MARTI REPT on our Ebay Auction. (Ford : Mustang 1968 Mustang California Special Barrett Jackson RARE-Ebay Item number: 290163557916)
Some of you made fun of our Barrett Jackson reference....IF you need help on a complete restoration, in a very timely manner at a fair price, we are the ones to contact. And yes, we could EASILY have it done under 3 months.
As we are all Mustang lovers, let's respect each other. Any positive information you have that will enhance our knowledge is always welcome and very appreciated. We currently have 6 vintage Mustangs that we are rehabing, but we felt this one should go to a good home and let the new owner do the customizing. Again thanks for your attention.

I'm sure you may be good at what you do.

But we on this site just call them like we see them.
I would still have to see the car close up to varify in my mind that it
what you say it is.

John
 

Midnight Special

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To all the self proclaimed experts - we appreciate all the attention our CA special is getting...........
As we are all Mustang lovers, let's respect each other. Any positive information you have that will enhance our knowledge is always welcome and very appreciated. We currently have 6 vintage Mustangs that we are rehabing, but we felt this one should go to a good home and let the new owner do the customizing. Again thanks for your attention.

Your point is well taken - but in "calling as we see them" provides some protection to friends here who have been misled with some of these listings in the past. Not the case with you thankfully, but stick around here awhile & you'll see what we mean...

Welcome to the site with hopes we can see photos of some of your completed Mustangs someday :)
 

Mosesatm

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To all the self proclaimed experts - ......

This may not be the best way to start a 1st post on a forum, especially when trying to sell a car that one or more forum members may wish to purchase.
 

clubpro

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Gentlemen and Ladies,

I am the one who referred the ebay seller to our website as a helpful tool not to be critcized. I looked at his CS on ebay and checked to see if it was in the registry and it wasn't. I compared the V.I.N. to those in the registry and knowing that the GT/CS were built in bunches came to my own conclusion that it was a legitimate CS which was confirmed by the Marti report.

Let's be careful and educated in our observations and comments. Don't we want this website to be a useful resource for those interested in our unique cars?

Thanks!

Ron
 

Midnight Special

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Gentlemen and Ladies,

I am the one who referred the ebay seller to our website as a helpful tool not to be critcized. I looked at his CS on ebay and checked to see if it was in the registry and it wasn't. I compared the V.I.N. to those in the registry and knowing that the GT/CS were built in bunches came to my own conclusion that it was a legitimate CS which was confirmed by the Marti report.

Let's be careful and educated in our observations and comments. Don't we want this website to be a useful resource for those interested in our unique cars?

Thanks!

Ron

...Again, well taken Ron - but you know, I started off here the same way complaining about member(s) critisism of a car I wanted to buy. I too didn't like what some here had to say, but we are who we are... Individuals w/ observations. Tho I'm not highly regarded by purists, I have learned alot & continue to grow my hobby in a wonderful way by sticking around.
 

morr

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Thank you - From the new guys

Hello everyone - thank you all for your comments. Yes we probably didn't start our first posting the right way. It was just sad that you were all so quick to judge, but past is past. We look forward to learning from you all and getting the valueble information that we see we can learn here on this site. If anyone is interested,or has a friend that is interested, you are welcome anytime to come and see the CS for yourselves & see the Marti report. Our phone number is on the auction and we are extremely flexible on our schedule and can be avail on your schedule. Thanks again and we look forward to being part of this unique community. Would love to share pics of our many restored mustangs.
 

CALIF GIRL

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To all the self proclaimed experts - we appreciate all the attention our CA special is getting. Please check out the posted MARTI REPT on our Ebay Auction.


I am sure if the Marti Report had originally been included in the Ebay ad it would have quelled some of the questions and comments that were made.

Unfortunately, we live in a time that the "buyer beware" has never been as important as it is now. Most of us have seen several cars intentionally advertised as a GT/CS or HCS when thery were not the "real thing". This has tended to make us question things that do not sound quite "right".

I think the comments that were posted here were done from the perspective of not originally having the Marti report to verify authenticity combined with the wording of GT/CS possibly HCS.

This wording alone made me wonder if the seller actually knew what the car actually was.
 

BroadwayBlue

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I am sure if the Marti Report had originally been included in the Ebay ad it would have quelled some of the questions and comments that were made.

Unfortunately, we live in a time that the "buyer beware" has never been as important as it is now. Most of us have seen several cars intentionally advertised as a GT/CS or HCS when thery were not the "real thing". This has tended to make us question things that do not sound quite "right".

I think the comments that were posted here were done from the perspective of not originally having the Marti report to verify authenticity combined with the wording of GT/CS possibly HCS.

This wording alone made me wonder if the seller actually knew what the car actually was.

I agree totally!

We always work hard to make sure the correct info is communicated whether it's a magazine article, this site, other sites or eBay auctions.

Smart move on posting the Marti Report. It's the only way to authenticate if it's a true CS. That's what we were looking for.

Early build date too 2/14.

Good Luck with your auction.
 
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I didn't pay much attention to this thread until now. I just thought it was another EBAY referral.

What piques my interest is that the seller actually wrote to us. A certain welcome to them (!!), and I should say that coming into a message board like this can be kinda harrowing, especially if the car you're selling is being scrutinized so closely. If you think of their apprehensions they may have coming in here, you'd understand their opening line, whether it sounds right or not.

Let me put a few things into perspective:

First, thank you, Ron for letting the seller know about us. That was an excellent idea. Getting all parties together is a good thing.

It's funny, 'cause last night, I was just writing about "tolerence" on the other thread about "Clones in the Registry or not"... Not to scold anyone, but I think we, as a group should be a little more understanding before we make snap judgments on the cars we see for sale on line. Bad grilles, wrong grilles, wrong hood and no, or wrong fog lights are more common on authentic GT/CSs than you'd think. All it takes in one front end collision, and parts all of a sudden become hard to find--especially during the 70's and 80's-- before my books, and this site, etc.. Who would know not to use a '68 grille? Or where to find Lucas lights, much less how, or where to mount them?

However, I know how there have been several other dealers that have either not understood the authenticity of a true GT/CS, or don't care, or think of this limited edition is like adding A/C to a Mustang, etc.... There is a lot of ignorance to go around, and it's up to us to "educate" them. Perhaps we've become cynical by the past record of dealers and individuals that bring these cars to the net. For those reasons, please (Mr. Dealers) know that we're skeptical until proven otherwise for those past reasons.

Internet auctions can be hyped a lot, and we tend to be defensive at that hype, because it may appear as disingenuine. If the information is true, as it appears in this case, then we can go on, and appreciate the sale of this GT/CS. For the price, I'm sure someone will go grab it and restore it themselves. At least I've got another CS for the Registry--with the Marti info provided.

Historically, this CS was one of the BIG BATCH built in early Feb. It was one of the hundreds built, mostly for the L.A. District. It was sent to Coberly Ford, one of L.A.'s biggest dealers, and it's a Coberly ad in my 1989 book that promotes the GT/CS.

One would have to really hustle to get this car up to Barret Jackson standards. I'd hate to see things rushed (quick interior, paint and trim) that might affect certain details that an owner that wishes to do a thorough restoration might do. I'd frankly would rather see it sold "as is" for the price. Under $2,500 is a good deal (if that is the price as of now). A restored , nice version of this GT/CS could be worth $10-20K (off the top of my head)...

On another note....Tim states: "Tho I'm not highly regarded by purists, I have learned alot & continue to grow my hobby in a wonderful way by sticking around."
...I don't know where that came from, Tim. Whether you, or anyone else--what you own, restore (or not) and how you enjoy it; is not, and should not be a measure of your "regard". If I'm one of these purists, I don't measure you by whether you live by the "pure aspects" of owning a GT/CS (or many) or not. Total restoration is never meant to be a value judgement for any vehicle, nor for it's owner. (Heck, get dat through your thick head, guy!!!)

Paul N.
 
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