. My dissapointment

[robert campbell]

Majority Rules......

Rhonda,
Gotta agree on this one!

Arlie,
Concise with no emotion.

Rob

 

[J.Bart]

are you serious???????????
so formal, trying to turn the attention on me and say i'm doing things,
and if youv'e been nice up to this point, wow, well i guess i don't know what to say about that.
and see that's the other problem, you few that have been harassing paul are not the majority, your just a small few.
you get away with it, i guess because most people don't want to listen to your abuse, they probably have better things to do.

i just got tired of what i was seeing, and decided to say something about it.

 

[J.Bart]

ya know arlie your a funny guy.
this is the way you work things.
is this how you worked paul newitt???????
am i supposed to take this little email as some sort of threat????????


..From: Moses, Arlie
Sent: Fri 10/09/09 3:42 AM
To: J BART HENNEFER

See, we were doing so well then you had to go and say that.

Even though that's an interesting answer it doesn't help us with the thread in question. How are we going to finish the thread you started? Do you want to keep going with it or shall we end it in a civilized manner?

If you want to end it in a civilized manner I will be happy to post something like,
"you know what Jbart I think we're both getting a little tired of this thread, what do you say we call a truce and end it here. Jon, how about locking this thing?"

Is something like that OK with you?

I'll let you in on a secret; I've been PMing Jon and he wants it to end.



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or is this not harasing paul newiitt???
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-----Original Message-----
From: Moses, Arlie
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:06 AM
To: William "Bill" Froelich
Subject: SAAC

I’ve registered on the SAAC forums as “Pickled Grump” but I don’t plan on revealing PG’s identity to anyone outside this group, so if you want some questions asked of Paul PG can be your liaison.



Arlie Moses


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what? you have to pose as someone else to ask paul questions???
why all of this behind the scenes stuff????

see there's no war so no truce is needed, if you convinced jon to lock this thread? so???
i'm still asking you to leave paul newitt alone and be polite to everyone that visit's here

.oh i forgot about this one



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Subject: Re: Pickled Grump?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:44:30 -0500
From: Arlie
To: j.bart

I consider not capitalizing letters to be extremely rude, lazy, and inconsiderate.

In my humble opinion people who do that (unless they have a handicap) are more concerned about their ease of typing than the hell the reader goes through trying to decipher the mess.

Unless you have a physical or mental handicap you sir fit the above description and I see no reason to be nice to you. If you have such a handicap I apologize and I won't mind at all if you use only lower case letters.

There, see how easy that is. And I typed it on a BlackBerry. What's your excuse?
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so you don't see any reason to be nice to me because i didn't take typing in highschool????

i thought people tried to be nice just because people try to be nice to each other????

 

[Mosesatm]

Good gawd man, in the top thread I was asking if you wanted to end this thread in a way that lets you save face!!! The hole you've dug yoursel is so incredibly deep I was helping you out of it.

How is that a threat and how is it harassing Paul Newitt??????????????

You also didn't post a few key responses.

You are a real worm and I'm done with you.

Jon, I'm going to send you the e-mails in question so you can deal with this issue in an appropriate manner, as you see fit.

 

[J.Bart]

just because your not willing to admit you do it doesn't mean you don't do it.
your the one keeping it going

 

[Mosesatm]

just because your not willing to admit you do it doesn't mean you don't do it.
your the one keeping it going

{Sigh}

Jbart, you accuse me of harassing Paul which is a very serious ..blah, blah, blah, you know the rest by now.

Of course, you understand that you will need to provide a post where Pickled Grump harassed Paul Newitt on the SAAC site, so please do so.

Thank you

 

[J.Bart]

Good gawd man, in the top thread I was asking if you wanted to end this thread in a way that lets you save face!!! The hole you've dug yoursel is so incredibly deep I was helping you out of it.

How is that a threat and how is it harassing Paul Newitt??????????????

You also didn't post a few key responses.

You are a real worm and I'm done with you.

Jon, I'm going to send you the e-mails in question so you can deal with this issue in an appropriate manner, as you see fit.

see here you go again: calling me a worm, why??? i don't call you names.
this is what i'm talking about, your just being impolite.

 

[CALIF GIRL]

The way this thread has gone downhill kinda makes me see why people from other sites would say we are dysfunctional and that we fight like petty school girls.

 

[hcsstang]

That's enough. Who is going to the AACA Hershey car show.

 

[Mosesatm]

see here you go again: calling me a worm, why??? i don't call you names.
this is what i'm talking about, your just being impolite.

So you have no evidence of Pickled Grump harassing Paul. Meaning you've told another lie about me on a public forum and you posted cherry picked private e-mails on a public forum. Considering those facts, and others, the word I chose seems fairly mild.

Are you going to provide evidence of any of your accusations or are you going to continue this bizzare method of rebbutal?

ETA
Never mind. All you'll do is say I'm not nice, again. This whole strange thread seems to revolve around the fact that you think I'm not nice enough.

I can live with that. Our words are on these pages for all to see and shake their heads in amazement and it's obvious whatever I write you will not absorb so I'm going to end this here.

You are now on ignore.

 

[Mosesatm]

To: ALL FORUM MEMBERS AND GUESTS

Please accept my sincerely apology for the role I played in this thread.

Thank you

 

[nfrntau]

Arlie says, very specifically, answer these questions.
Jbart says I'll skirt around the questions and maybe noone will notice. stop harassing Paul.
Arlie says don't move the goalposts answer the questions.
Jbart skirts some more, brings up unrelated stuff.
Arlie says answer the questions.
Jbart?

I'm not too bright. Can you just answer the questions please. Seems simple to me or I'm missing something.
I would like to see the questions answered, specifically. Make it easy for me.
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etc.

Certainly if this allegated harassment by members of this site does in fact exist than it should be no problem to provide specifics. After all it is a written forum, isn't it?

If it doesn't exist then why is there a problem?
Why did you start a thread like this in our happy home? No never mind don't answer that, just answer the questions.

 

[Doug]

Anybody see the Dodger game yesterday? Have a great weekend

 

[admin]

Well this thread went downhill in a hurry. Once the discussion goes south like this it's pretty hard to get in constructive comments, but I'll give it a shot anyway.

I don't agree with JBART on everything in this thread (like posting personal emails) but I do agree with his initial premise, which is leaving Paul alone at his new SAAC home.

Maybe I was being naive, but I had hoped that when Paul left this site the drama and negativity that surrounded his posts would leave with him. But that hasn't been the case. Every time he makes a comment of jibe someone rushes to bring it back here for all of us to hash out and get worked up over.

Paul left on his own accord. I then later reinforced that absence because I felt the site would ultimately be better for it. But this continued discussion of his activities and comments at SAAC isn't helping this site at all. If you want to know what Paul's up to then by all means pop over to SAAC and find out. But can we agree to leave him and his posts there instead of bringing them back here for a postmortem?

Thanks.

 

[J.Bart]

this is not directed at jon
gee that's funny i talk to people that seem to see it as plain as i do????
and arlie i will be more than happy to be ignored by you i'll do the same.

 

[J.Bart]

sorry about the private emails, my oops!
sorry jon and everybody.
but one of my points that does have to do with things here is the impolite responses.

 

[J.Bart]

i don't think paul left because he was being treated politely by some of the members here.
but i would like to see a vote, just like the calender, by the whole site.
we could vote on formally asking paul to be apart of this site.

set up as "do you agree to ask paul newitt to be apart of this site like he was before"
yes............have no opinion................no



...i think if there were more yes votes than no votes, he would come and be apart of cs.com
not intending he leave saac. he could do both.
the no opinion vote wouldn't count either way, but would show an honest vote

you could set this up pretty easily couldn't you jon?

 

[admin]

Paul and I have cut all ties. He will not be coming back to this site.

Here's the thread explaining that if you didn't see it: http://californiaspecial.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7716

 

[joedls]

but one of my points that does have to do with things here is the impolite responses.

Wow. Do you just have to have the last word? Do you not think everyone reading this thread understood when you made this point the numerous other times? Give it a rest already.

I have not, until now, posted anything to do with the whole PMN fiasco.

I agree with Jon that analysis of Paul's comments on the SAAC board should be left off of this forum. If for no other reason, than it is distracting from what most people want to achieve here. They should post whatever problems they have with his comments on the forum that he posted them on.

I do, however, also understand people's frustration with Paul. Especially those that paid for books and expected Paul to keep his numerous delivery dates, only to be disappointed time and time again when the date moved. His broken promises cost him his credibility and I don't believe he has handled that very well. Instead of apologizing for that and doing an accurate assessment of when he can deliver, he chose to move the date a few months (only to miss that date) and get defensive when he was called out for it. I could care less when the book gets delivered. I look forward to the book when it's published, but there won't be a lot of dissappointment if it doesn't.

I also can understand some of the anger that people have with Paul regarding some of his comments about this forum. He painted this forum with quite a broad brush and insinuated that it was full of bad intentions. I think that was wrong. I didn't hang around here much during most of the falling out with Paul, but from what I've read it seems to me that he was having a rough time and didn't cope with it very well. I think this is a big mistake for Paul. He has a limited market for his book as it is. He shouldn't be alienating so much of it. It doesn't matter if he is right or not. He should be treating people here as customers and try to work things out with them.

I say all this because I like Paul. I don't know him very well, but I've had a few conversations with him. From what I've seen, I think he is kind of eccentric and moody. I also believe he has a huge ego that gets in his way. You know, very much like my streotypical view of "artists". I have also sent him a private message before when we didn't agree on something and have been met with nothing but respect and we worked out our issue.

I also like many of the people on this board that are very angry with Paul. They have shown me nothing but kindness and respect. From what I've read, I don't believe they have handled every conflict with Paul very well either, but who does? And would I have handled them better if I were in their shoes? I don't know. I don't know the whole picture, nor do I care to know. It doesn't involve me.

I guess my point here is that I don't really want to see this board turn into constant battle about who's "right". Given the choice of being right or being happy, which do you choose?

 

[J.Bart]

i thought this thread was done, but ,well, since you ask which i choose.
i choose to be polite and kind to people to the best of my abilty. sometimes i find i need to do better.

the bad picture of paul that seems to be painted buy some, isn't the picture that i see.
i don't see that he has a problem with any here but a few that seem to go after him

and like i said before, it's pauls book, i don't have any idea what it takes to do what he is doing. ford licensing, all the history, the details, the liability ins.
i don't think he would be doing it and going to all of that trouble for the little money he makes on the books. so he must be doing it for the love of the gt/cs.

i think his priority is to the gt/cs and the book, and if your offended because it's taking too long, well i guess he's probably sorry but there isn't much he can do about it.
some things take time, and more time than estimated