. My dissapointment

[BroadwayBlue]

http://www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/mump_0404_1965_ford_mustang_gt350_r_model/index.html

Looking back over the legendary Shelbys, perhaps none was more glorious than the '65 R-Model. Of this car, the Shelby American Automobile Club wrote, "[It was] the first time a manufacturer offered a strictly for-racing competition model which could be purchased from a dealer and which would require nothing after delivery."
Ford lost money on every one of the 36 units built in 1965. The market for such a vehicle was extremely limited, but no matter. It accomplished its mission to win on the track. That the GT350 R-Model ever saw the light of day was due to an unusual set of circumstances in the grand scheme of auto making. Ford had just introduced its new Mustang the previous spring. Met with smashing success, Ford bolstered the lineup with a fastback, which, although still a four-seater, had more of the look of a two-passenger sports car. Ford hired Carroll Shelby to turn the fastback into a "sports car" to challenge the Corvette in B-production SCCA road racing and bring a higher-performance image to the Mustang name.

 

[Doug]

Difference between a Shhelby and a Mustang

Check this out

View attachment Difference between a Shelby and a mustang.pdf

 

[J.Bart]

i guess my way of thinking is if you have a neighbor that is difficult and a regular pain in the neck, why go do things in front of his house and provoke him, why not just leave him alone and save all the trouble

 

[di81977]

Been out all day at my son's hockey and baseball practices. Glad I gave the forum something to talk about today. I have not met many members of this forum personally, but to those who know me, I am not an antagonistic person.

I check the SAAC forum ever once in a while. Heck they have a GT/CS section and I have a HCS. Never know what interesting information you will find out about your car. I have a C2 Corvette and check out the Corvette forum often. Talk about a forum with conflict!

Paul posted his comments 2 days ago. I did not see any response and felt that it was important to stick up for a quality book that as I said in my post, shows our cars in a very positive light. I was shocked and disapointed in his comments. His first sentence make no sense at all. Why wouldn't the registry want this published? I see absolutely no conflict with the book that Paul is writing. These are public forums and I felt it was necessary to comment on what I felt were inappropriate statements.

While my post may look like a personal attack, I would have made my same comments to anyone else that would have posted a similar message.

As has been mentioned, The moderator's comments and approach to the thread were strange. I plan to PM him and discuss both his and my approach to forum participation.

Regards
David

 

[hookedtrout]

JBART, I think you are right up to a certain point with the neighbor analogy however to expand the analogy what if you had a beautiful yard that you loved to share with everyone, that you spent countless hours perfecting for hosting fun get togethers and had to stop having friends over, stop BBQing, stop doing the things you loved because your neighbor insisted that your yard was his yard no matter how often you proved him wrong and he insisted you have his permission to use it. And every time you planned an event he made a scene in which he insisted you were trespassing on his property ruining your event. Due to his perceived ownership and constant interference you would eventually reach a point of not being able to ignore that he was ruining your life style, or at least trying and you would take it on, head on. I think that is some of what's going on.

I have heard the comment made that we do need a representative for all things CS, similar to the role PMN tried to take, it's obvious he isn't the person now as he has no regard for anyone and no respect for the CS info as a shared resource belonging to all that will be CS. I think we need a change of guard, there are some very knowledgeable CS people out there, we need one with the right personality to oversee the info and represent us as a whole not us as in I, I, I, Me, Me, Me.

It's a tough call when to leave well enough alone, if Paul would have taken the high road and resisted the urge to post his banter about owning or copywriting all things CS and resited being posesive and instead taken the approach of making this little world, and it is tiny in the big scheme of things, this would go away and interestingly enough Paul would have reaped the benefits 10 fold over what he will get now, can you imagine how much all of us going to bat for him to try and push his books would increase his sales as well as his recognition, but he truely believes he is the reason for all things CS in the current state and he does not want to share any of it.

I think I'm siding with the stay away from the SAAC and let old dogs lay, in fact with what little I've seen of their management at SAAC in the Forum section I doubt I'd ever even join if I bought a Shelby, I'll just be a CS.COM Shelby owner, you'd still welcome me I assume?

Cory

 

[hookedtrout]

Been out all day at my son's hockey and baseball practices. Glad I gave the forum something to talk about today. I have not met many members of this forum personally, but to those who know me, I am not an antagonistic person.

I check the SAAC forum ever once in a while. Heck they have a GT/CS section and I have a HCS. Never know what interesting information you will find out about your car. I have a C2 Corvette and check out the Corvette forum often. Talk about a forum with conflict!

Paul posted his comments 2 days ago. I did not see any response and felt that it was important to stick up for a quality book that as I said in my post, shows our cars in a very positive light. I was shocked and disapointed in his comments. His first sentence make no sense at all. Why wouldn't the registry want this published? I see absolutely no conflict with the book that Paul is writing. These are public forums and I felt it was necessary to comment on what I felt were inappropriate statements.

While my post may look like a personal attack, I would have made my same comments to anyone else that would have posted a similar message.

As has been mentioned, The moderator's comments and approach to the thread were strange. I plan to PM him and discuss both his and my approach to forum participation.

Regards
David

David, to anyone that read all of the posts your reply was spot on. And it was not worded in an antagonisic manner, it was very respectful, polite, to the point and accurate in every fashion. I would believe that to be true no matter what side of the fence I was on. The SAAC moderator was way off in his response, especially pointing fingers at the CS folks. If anything was wrong with that series of posts it was Paul's off the wall reply and the sarcastic reply's by SAAC 4 and 5 star folks, but I'm sure the Moderator has no means to address their banter, they probably hold Shelby seniority over him.

Cory

 

[nates68]

Cory, very well said. Check what i had to say in family visit thead today.
I hope we all still get along.


Nate

 

[hookedtrout]

Cory, very well said. Check what i had to say in family visit thead today.
I hope we all still get along.


Nate

Thanks Nate, we'll all still get along, it's a great bunch and we are bound to see things a little different at times the key being "a little different" and respecting that difference and listening when someone points out those differences and talking through them instead of ignoring, challenging and completely alienating your support.

I think we could have all got along with PMN if he could have just seen how much we really truly love the CS's and all those that share the CS/HCS love. But he continues to prove time and time again that sharing in the wealth of all things CS isn't in his plan nor can he make it a part of his plan, I'm sure there are a thousand examples out there in the world history of people just like him that had the world at their feet willing to do anything they wanted and instead of embracing them and welcoming them as a part of their world they trampled on them while they were at their feet and I'd venture to guess that most if not all of the stories ended the same, after missing the opportunity to embrace those that offered themselves to them they eventually found themselves alone in a dark world as time went on. Some may have recognized the err of their ways, others like Paul can't fathom that it is they that are in the wrong.

 

[66hcs-conv]

Golly, I hate to see this sort of thing going on.

This is supposed to be a fun thing (the car hobby/obsession) that we all are involved in.

Is this really that big a deal? There are certainly bigger & more important things to worry about. I could almost guarantee that the sun will still come up tomorrow.

Have fun ! Dave

 

[Midnight Special]

Check this out

View attachment 9963

Thanks for the Shelby '65 -R confirmation Rich and Doug for the read

JBART, all is well!
"From gavel, to gravel, to Gold..."

 

[robert campbell]

I liked the 65 R model bend this thread took. all about cars and fun! A new day is dawning!!

Rob

 

[Mustanglvr]

Thanks for the info on the "R" model gentlemen. :smile:

 

[J.Bart]

i don't see why we need a representitive for the gt/cs, i haven't heard of this, i'm not sure what it's about. the car stands on it's own. and as far as the shelby owners not welcoming us with open arms::: my understanding is: aaa it's not a shelby. it wasn't built at shelbys plant, it wasn't assembled by shelby employees. why does any one think that they would think differently.. it is my understanding it's like a cousin, ya know you see them at reunions but they are not a part of your immediate family.
they have acknowledged that the idea came from "lil red" and shelby and have graciously made space for the gt/cs there, but after reading some of the talk hear, well it wouldn't surprise me to see it gone from their site.
i had a interesting moment this spring, a realization. not that i thought i was the coolest guy with my new hot gt/cs mustang. but people try sometimes to pump you up, at shows and stuff. the moment of clarity was this: i pulled into a parking lot to get something from the store. two guys from brazil or somewhere," didn't understand a word they said", started taking pictures of my car and talking with each other. so i opened the door and raised the hood. and they took pictures and gestured thank you. i learned right there""" i'm just a roady""" the car is the "rockstar". these cars 68's or 07 to 09's will do fine all by them selves and not much that any of us does is going to amount to a hill of beans when it come to the gt/cs.
Paul put out his books with the registry in it, i presume he started the registry back then sometime. those books have helped the gt/cs be recognised for what the gt/cs is, and i think gave the car credibility, i havent seen anyone else do that, i don't know paul, and i don't know what kind of person he is, but i recognise that he has published two popular books, and that he is doing another one. and guess what? they are his books, he put forth the effort to do them. it sounds to me like this next one is going to make the previous two look like brochure's, he obviously wants it to be complete, with as much information as he can gather. and he might be tired of the work and want this to be the last complete book on the gt/cs that he does. and when he is satisfied with it it will be out. and as far as accepting a loan to go towards the book, i don't think i would have done that either, he probably didn't want someone with a hand in his soup. to get the flavor you want in your own soup, you have to do it your own way. a financer could have legal authority over publication deadlines, i wouldn't want anyone changing the flavor of my soup.

 

[Midnight Special]

I agree with you JBART. Paul can do whatever he wants..........and so can anyone else!

 

[Mosesatm]

i don't see why we need a representitive for the gt/cs, i haven't heard of this, i'm not sure what it's about. the car stands on it's own. and as far as the shelby owners not welcoming us with open arms::: my understanding is: aaa it's not a shelby. it wasn't built at shelbys plant, it wasn't assembled by shelby employees. why does any one think that they would think differently.. it is my understanding it's like a cousin, ya know you see them at reunions but they are not a part of your immediate family.
they have acknowledged that the idea came from "lil red" and shelby and have graciously made space for the gt/cs there, but after reading some of the talk hear, well it wouldn't surprise me to see it gone from their site.
i had a interesting moment this spring, a realization. not that i thought i was the coolest guy with my new hot gt/cs mustang. but people try sometimes to pump you up, at shows and stuff. the moment of clarity was this: i pulled into a parking lot to get something from the store. two guys from brazil or somewhere," didn't understand a word they said", started taking pictures of my car and talking with each other. so i opened the door and raised the hood. and they took pictures and gestured thank you. i learned right there""" i'm just a roady""" the car is the "rockstar". these cars 68's or 07 to 09's will do fine all by them selves and not much that any of us does is going to amount to a hill of beans when it come to the gt/cs.
Paul put out his books with the registry in it, i presume he started the registry back then sometime. those books have helped the gt/cs be recognised for what the gt/cs is, and i think gave the car credibility, i havent seen anyone else do that, i don't know paul, and i don't know what kind of person he is, but i recognise that he has published two popular books, and that he is doing another one. and guess what? they are his books, he put forth the effort to do them. it sounds to me like this next one is going to make the previous two look like brochure's, he obviously wants it to be complete, with as much information as he can gather. and he might be tired of the work and want this to be the last complete book on the gt/cs that he does. and when he is satisfied with it it will be out. and as far as accepting a loan to go towards the book, i don't think i would have done that either, he probably didn't want someone with a hand in his soup. to get the flavor you want in your own soup, you have to do it your own way. a financer could have legal authority over publication deadlines, i wouldn't want anyone changing the flavor of my soup.

JBart I started reading this but finally found it too difficult and gave up. I'm sure you have some great points but for those points to get across will you please capitalize the appropriate words and create paragraphs? Some of us are just too dumb to be able to follow along without those 2 items.

Thanks

 

[CALIF GIRL]

JBart I started reading this but finally found it too difficult and gave up. I'm sure you have some great points but for those points to get across will you please capitalize the appropriate words and create paragraphs? Some of us are just too dumb to be able to follow along without those 2 items.

Thanks

My take on what he was trying to say was, can we stop Paul bashing and get on with the reason we all love this site and come here. The cars and the great people we have met here and think of as family........

 

[Mosesatm]

My take on what he was trying to say was, can we stop Paul bashing and get on with the reason we all love this site and come here. The cars and the great people we have met here and think of as family........

I finally slogged my way through it.

Very lovely, but the topic was done with and we all agreed to let it drop. In fact, we had a quaint little derail going about R-models and everything was back to normal since we are the masters at derailing threads, then someone feels the need to stir the pot again.

JBART, please stop stirring.

We understand what you are saying, but what you need to realize is that since you don't have all the facts you will never understand why some of the posters don't agree with you. Well, you'll need to live with not understanding because we are not going to explain it all on a public forum.

Can we all agree to disagree and drop it?

 

[J.Bart]

I'll be direct and to the point! all tact aside!

Do you think that the snide remarks are unnoticed by people that read these posts?
I am simply tired of the "lets bash Paul and Saac party"! We all understand that some of you have a problem with him and Saac! I am tired of hearing it here, and at Saac! Those that bash Paul and Saac, like to speak their minds and then want to talk about something else. I think it is time for it to end completey, here and at Saac. I don't think anyone want's to here someone talk badly about someone else, it's not pleasant conversation.

So, please!!! Keep the Paul and Saac bashing off of "both sites" so the rest of us can have some pleasant conversation.
Thank you
J. Bart

 

[Mosesatm]

I'll be direct and to the point! all tact aside!

Do you think that the snide remarks are unnoticed by people that read these posts?
I am simply tired of the "lets bash Paul and Saac party"! We all understand that some of you have a problem with him and Saac! I am tired of hearing it here, and at Saac! Those that bash Paul and Saac, like to speak their minds and then want to talk about something else. I think it is time for it to end completey, here and at Saac. I don't think anyone want's to here someone talk badly about someone else, it's not pleasant conversation.

So, please!!! Keep the Paul and Saac bashing off of "both sites" so the rest of us can have some pleasant conversation.
Thank you
J. Bart

If you're tired of hearing about it stop bringing it up. The topic was dead until you gave it a prod.

 

[franklinair]

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